Tell Me Anything About Ground Controls...

[tarh33l10]

I am looking at this setup for my 06 Si. I am a true fan of ground controls now because I had them on my 98 Prelude with stock shocks and they rode almost as good as stock. I've never ridden in a lowered car that rode that good. I've searched a little on here, and the only comments I could find were from Toxis. He mentioned they wouldn't raise up much in the back, and rode much rougher than stock. If anybody has any knowledge of ground controls on Si's then please inform...

[I Vtec, do you?]

I wanna know too. ~$315 for a coilover set with eibachs interests me.

[tarh33l10]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

I wanna know too. ~$315 for a coilover set with eibachs interests me.

where are they for 315?

[27rocks]

ok if you want oem ride quality then stick with stock suspension. imo if your going to just buy ground controls or springs or anything along those lines don't even bother. they suck period. if all you want is a lowerd car and no performance you might as well just leave it stock. when you lower a car without having a shock that is designed for the spring height you mess up the suspension geometry and your car is going to handle like crap.
i say you save your money and buy some really nice good quality coilovers. If it was me i would just wait because the end result is 100x better.

[hoanger]

type x had a problem with them in the rears
they wouldn't stay when you jacked up the car and they'd just fall right out.
you'd have to put them in as you lower the car.. a pain in the ass, but havent heard anything else about them

[06RallyeSi]

Originally Posted by hoanger

type x had a problem with them in the rears
they wouldn't stay when you jacked up the car and they'd just fall right out.
you'd have to put them in as you lower the car.. a pain in the ass, but havent heard anything else about them

sounds like an installation problem to me.. either that or he cut the spring to try makin it sit lower.. cause the only way that can even happen is if the springs to small for the car but even APC would make a spring that wouldnt do that. unless he took his whole rear assembly loose and didnt have it put all the way back up..

idk sounds like an easy fix though.

[projectprelude]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

I wanna know too. ~$315 for a coilover set with eibachs interests me.

its a sweet price to be able to adjust height yet you will have to use ur stock shocks

[tarh33l10]

im more interested in knowing if anybody can get the back higher than a half finger gap...ground control says it's 0-3 inches, so it should

[Sirbelch]

How do Ground Contol springs suck? They are made by Eibach.
Right now, NO ONE makes a decent OTS coilover for any reason, track or street.
A set of Koni Sports should be about 700 and a set of GC springs is 400. Thats 1100 what will be a far better suspension than anything under 2000 in terms of handling and ride quality.
It is true that the rear springs are too short. It is not an install ation Good thing GC makes a billion springs so all you have do to is order a longer one.
Toxis ride was rough because he ordered high spring rates. Higher spring rates than the average lowering spring.
Don't get GC springs with stock damper. If you want a stock ride, stay stock. If you are worried about it not being low enough, stop being superficial.

[tarh33l10]

I don't want it to be too low in the back for winter purposes, so i want that adjustability to be lower in summer and higher in winter...I'm not worried about the ride near as much as the drop...if a half a finger gap is as high as it goes, that's what I wanna know...but GC is telling me different...does anybody have this setup?

With the short spring, is the spring gonna have to be manually replaced everytime I jack the car up and bring it down?

[hoanger]

Originally Posted by tarh33l10

I don't want it to be too low in the back for winter purposes, so i want that adjustability to be lower in summer and higher in winter...I'm not worried about the ride near as much as the drop...if a half a finger gap is as high as it goes, that's what I wanna know...but GC is telling me different...does anybody have this setup?

With the short spring, is the spring gonna have to be manually replaced everytime I jack the car up and bring it down?

Unless your winters are horrible, you don't really have anything to worry about being lowered. I'm lowered 2.1" and have had no problems with the canadian winters.

as for the short spring, yes you will have to manually replace it everytime. You'd have to hold the spring in place until the car has been lowered fully or get someone to hold it while you lower the car.

[Sirbelch]

I love the smell of superficial in the morning

[hoanger]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

I love the smell of superficial in the morning

what's that supposed to mean?
While I answered his question with previous experience, I also put my own opinion about being too low in the winter.
If you find something to disagree with, I'd appreciate it if you'd point it out.

[tarh33l10]

the GCs on my prelude were a little too short too, but they fell back into place each time without manual assistance...they didn't stretch out like springs do, i think that's just a sleeve coilover for you...so is it possible to get a longer spring from GC for the backs?

[friedk]

Originally Posted by hoanger

what's that supposed to mean?
While I answered his question with previous experience, I also put my own opinion about being too low in the winter.
If you find something to disagree with, I'd appreciate it if you'd point it out.

I'm thinking he means that you're dropped that low for purely superficial reasons.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by hoanger

what's that supposed to mean?
While I answered his question with previous experience, I also put my own opinion about being too low in the winter.
If you find something to disagree with, I'd appreciate it if you'd point it out.

It wasn't directed at you at all

By the way, you are too low for any sort of performance advantage due to your suspension geometry being so messed up. Upon further review, the runner fumbled the ball before his knee hit the ground. San Francisco ball. First down.

I'm just one of the few that buys suspension parts (or any part for that matter) for the sole purpose of better handling (or performance). If its just for looks, its superficial, which in turn, makes the owner superficial.

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by tarh33l10

the GCs on my prelude were a little too short too, but they fell back into place each time without manual assistance...they didn't stretch out like springs do, i think that's just a sleeve coilover for you...so is it possible to get a longer spring from GC for the backs?

Sure is. Just call them up.

[hoanger]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

It wasn't directed at you at all

By the way, you are too low for any sort of performance advantage due to your suspension geometry being so messed up. Upon further review, the runner fumbled the ball before his knee hit the ground. San Francisco ball. First down.

I'm just one of the few that buys suspension parts (or any part for that matter) for the sole purpose of better handling (or performance). If its just for looks, its superficial, which in turn, makes the owner superficial.

Then I apologize for assuming it was. Misunderstanding on my part.

I am aware that I am pretty low for handling or performance reasons.. I'll admit that my main purpose for lowering my car was not to gain better handling. It was simply for aesthetic reasons, and in turn, I guess it makes me superficial ha.
I don't track my car, but car shows instead. I guess when the day comes that I do track my car (and the civic won't be it), I'll do my homework and spend my money where it counts.

[Sirbelch]

See, what you need to do when you want to track your car is, keep the civic, buy a new DD and then race the civic. By that time the civic will be old and this will give it new life. All the performance parts will be sorted out by then so all you have to do is pick them up.

[hoanger]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

See, what you need to do when you want to track your car is, keep the civic, buy a new DD and then race the civic. By that time the civic will be old and this will give it new life. All the performance parts will be sorted out by then so all you have to do is pick them up.

That's a good idea as well, however.. being the R18, parts seem to be very limited... even now. If it were an Si, I'd probably consider it. But, who knows... the future may hold good potential for the R18.
My original plans were to sell the civic and get a brand new car to work on from scratch with a different goal.