what to get for autox???

[stare_decisis]

i've been autox-ing my si for the past couple of months. needless to say...i'm addicted to it now!!! the only mod's i've made for 'tracking' my car are stickier tires and upgraded brake pads. the tires made a HUGE difference on the track, cutting 4-5 seconds from my time!! but i still feel like the car can be 'tighter' around the corners. i don't really feel like doing a full coilover kit or anything that extreme. what do you guys think i i should do next. i was thinking rear sway bar??? and yes i already took driving lessons, so no smart ass comments

[Highrev1]

What class?

[Janizary]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

What class?

+1

If you are concerned about what class you will end up in, that will limit what you can and cannot do.

[Highrev1]

I see you TONY :) You around? Wanna call me about those Dampers? at work now

EDIT pick up

[jdmEGO]

I got front tie bar, H brace, rear sway bar and tie bar on sportline spring now I'm waiting Koni to come out... Auto x is the way to go man I hate drag racing LOL


Drag racing = fast car
auto x = fast driver

[SRT4toCivicSi]

Tein SS coilovers with EDFC. however that'll DEFINATELY put you into another class all on its own...

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by jdmEGO

I got front tie bar, H brace, rear sway bar and tie bar on sportline spring now I'm waiting Koni to come out... Auto x is the way to go man I hate drag racing LOL
Drag racing = fast car
auto x = fast driver

Your already in SM...compteting againt the EVO's Good luck :)

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by SRT4toCivicSi

Tein SS coilovers with EDFC. however that'll DEFINATELY put you into another class all on its own...

What about these? THere crap? And you would probably get your ASS handed to you by someone with koni's? Just messing but the TEIN"S are not a good setup for AUTOX by any means.

[dt07Si]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

What about these? THere crap? And you would probably get your ASS handed to you by someone with koni's? Just messing but the TEIN"S are not a good setup for AUTOX by any means.

I know your argument for Koni's and you guys have some valid points but until Koni releases a set of struts for our car what good are they aside from custom fabbing a set like you guys have done for your car.

I have a set of TEIN SS's and for a Daily Driven car with the occasional Auto-X or some spirited driving they work absolutely great for me.

Would they be my ideal setup for a track car, NO. But most of us on this site don't have our SI's solely for track use. I wanted something that would perform good all around but mainly perform well on the street and not give up too much comfort and thats what I got.

[Highrev1]

Its no Argument its a fact!!! I am stating facts not just my thoughts on things.

See thats where your wrong you compormised ride quality for handling due to the single rebound and bump adjustment. Thats where your wrong, they give up too much ride comfort I have seen the shock dyno's I know what they adjust and in order to make them handle anywhere CLOSE to a KONI, you sacrifice too much and they can't handle the pavemnt on the street.

And even in compromising the ride quality you have compromised the maximum handling Especially on the street. You want to run as soft as you can generally. The more bumps the softer you want to be. In order to get the valving right you need to run the Teins too stiff for the street, And if you try to stiffen them then well, as we all know...a wheel in the air isn't making rtraction.


EDIT: Your in Jerz wanna get together.....We can go to an AUTOX together I am a board member fot the NNJ-SCCA and will be your instructor for the WHOLE day free of charge. 22nd this Saturday I am willing to do it if your interested :) Then I can not only tell you but show you why the TEINS do in fact suck I will be there co-driving an RSX to help him out with his setup so if your interested by all means lemme know...

[dt07Si]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

See thats where your wrong you compormised ride quality for handling due to the single adjustment. Thats where your wrong, they give up too much ride comfort I have seen the shock dyno's I know what they adjust and in order to make them handle anywhere CLOSE to a KONI, you sacrifice too much and they can't handle the pavemnt on the street.

And even in compromising the ride quality you have compromised the maximum handling Especially on the street. You want to run as soft as you can generally. The more bumps the softer you want to be. In order to get the valving right you need to run the Teins too stiff for the street, And if you try to stiffen them then well, as we all know...a wheel in the air isn't making rtraction.

Well I have seen the shock dyno's also, hence why I said you have some valid points.

As far as giving up my comfort, I know how the car felt and handled stock and how forgiving it was and I know how my car handles now with the Tein's on it. Did I give up some comfort, yes. Did I give up a lot considering how low I went, not at all.

I can completely understand that Koni struts are better engineered than a majority of shock assemblies on the market but the downside in my opinion is if want to have adjustable height you have to go with ground controls, and believe me I understand why many Auto-X and track enthusiasts swear by this setup. The option of different spring rates, they're rather inexpensive, there springs are made by Eibach and there are many applications. All sounds good, but I have driven and ridden in many cars with GC/ aftermarket strut setups, some with Konis and some without and they chatter.

[Highrev1]

Its not just some its ALOT...I would be willing to estimate at least 1.5 seconds over a 60 second course, thats ALOT.

Chatter usually means a poor install, I have done a bunch of GC/Koni installs and non make noise's.

What about Autox'ing with me Saturday, I will even pay for the entry fee, just so I can prove to you what I am saying, not only so they are theories but also so they are tested.

What is the most important part of your suspension? THE DAMPER, TEINS use their "cheap" single knobbed double adjustable damper. It will never compare to a real damper or a single adjustable setup IMO, it just cant it will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be a compromise ..........

No to be a dickhead but...I have debated this before many times and can and will prove you wrong, I have made Tein addicts into true racers....Just search and you will and can find the answers on this forum..

[dt07Si]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

EDIT: Your in Jerz wanna get together.....We can go to an AUTOX together I am a board member fot the NNJ-SCCA and will be your instructor for the WHOLE day free of charge. 22nd this Saturday I am willing to do it if your interested :) Then I can not only tell you but show you why the TEINS do in fact suck I will be there co-driving an RSX to help him out with his setup so if your interested by all means lemme know...

I would take you up on that offer because I will be the first to admit I still have a lot to learn but I am gonna be away this weekend. However I do plan on trying to attend atleast an event or two at Englishtown before the season is over. I am definitely gonna try and make it out to the event on Saturday October 20th to hang out with some friends and possibly register my car.

[Highrev1]

No need to register your car show up and drive nothing to register, its a show up empty the car out and drive that bish, OCT 20th I dunno my schedule but lemme know when and I will persoanlly take you out and show you what it means to truly "go fast" if your interested, granted I SUCK ass at AUTOXing but I can at least show you a couple of things

[jdmEGO]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Your already in SM...compteting againt the EVO's Good luck :)

Im in STX class, yeah I'm pretty much f*ck LOL.

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by jdmEGO

Im in STX class, yeah I'm pretty much f*ck LOL.

EHhH..by the rules I think your in SM Sorry to give you the bad news.


EDIt whcih"h brace do u have?

[dt07Si]

Alright keep going back and editing your posts...haha its all good man

Originally Posted by Highrev1

What is the most important part of your suspension? THE DAMPER, TEINS use their "cheap" single knobbed double adjustable damper. It will never compare to a real damper or a single adjustable setup IMO, it just cant it will ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS be a compromise ..........

No to be a dickhead but...I have debated this before many times and can and will prove you wrong, I have made Tein addicts into true racers....Just search and you will and can find the answers on this forum..

Greg I have read a number of your posts in the past, did my far share of research on Koni's, and observed the difference between Koni's and others dampeners in the Dyno charts and it is all crystal clear to me.

But can you argue that I and others like me should all be custom fabbing Koni's to fit our cars? I realize they will eventually release a strut for our cars but it has been a while.

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Chatter usually means a poor install, I have done a bunch of GC/Koni installs and non make noise's.

What about Autox'ing with me Saturday, I will even pay for the entry fee, just so I can prove to you what I am saying, not only so they are theories but also so they are tested.

Well honestly I and my friends have taken some of these GC setups apart in attempting to find out what is causing the chatter and reinstalled them and had no luck eliminating the chatter, thats just my experience. Yes I would like to believe that they could be setup so that they are whisper quiet but I just haven't witnessed it yet myself.

Alright so say I show up to an event and you turn me into a believer for Koni's and GC's since you sound so confident? And thats if...then what? I have a set of yellows custom fabbed to fit my Si?

[jdmEGO]

[quote=Highrev1]EHhH..by the rules I think your in SM Sorry to give you the bad news.


EDIt whcih"h brace do u have?[/QUOT

No! Cuzz they said that cuz I had lsd... That what they told me from scca rule book maybe they may be wrong.....


Megan racing H brace

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by dt07Si

Greg I have read a number of your posts in the past, did my far share of research on Koni's, and observed the difference between Koni's and others dampeners in the Dyno charts and it is all crystal clear to me.

Alright so say I show up to an event and you turn me into a believer for Koni's and GC's since you sound so confident? And thats if...then what? I have a set of yellows custom fabbed to fit my Si?

+ rep to u my man...I am glad someone reads em, cause around here not many do

You know my NAME Just kidding...I am jsut sayiang for the people who haven't bought anything yet WAIT for the OTS konis and get a GC kit. Who knows if I turn you into a believer then yeah, depending on how serious you are or what calss you run get either the custom koni's or wait for the OTS ones. If somone in JERZ has an issue with the GC making noise PM me I can help fix it... They shouldn't have noise.

[dt07Si]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

+ rep to u my man...I am glad someone reads em, cause around here not many do

You know my NAME Just kidding...I am jsut sayiang for the people who haven't bought anything yet WAIT for the OTS konis and get a GC kit. Who knows if I turn you into a believer then yeah, depending on how serious you are or what calss you run get either the custom koni's or wait for the OTS ones. If somone in JERZ has an issue with the GC making noise PM me I can help fix it... They shouldn't have noise.

Yeah I try my best to keep myself well informed and do my research. Don't get me wrong because of the data and arguments you made in the past about Koni's and there outstanding performance you made me a believer in them a while ago. And if they were already available we probably wouldn't be having this debate, my car would probably be riding on them right now.

Who knows if you make me a true believer in them at some point, maybe I will just up and sell my SS's. We'll see...

And my friend who has a '01 Accord V6 Coupe is lowered on Tokico Illumina struts and GC threaded bodies and his setup chatters pretty bad.

BTW I feel like an idiot asking this but how do you even rep someone?

I sent you a PM also Greg.