Sway bar questions

astroboy · 07-30-2007, 01:06 PM

I'm toying with the idea of replacing my rear sway bar with a progress one on my lx coupe. The reason for doing so is to try to reduce body roll and understeer.

Can I simply replace just the rear or is it always best to replace both at the same time? (i.e. si front sway and progress rear)

I don't mind doing so but its just more $$. However the deciding factor is that I need to ensure that replacing just the rear sway won't throw the balance of the car off. I'm trying to achieve a very neutral feel. I don't want to be spinning out under "spirited" driving conditions.

Furthermore if i spend 300 on sway bars is it better to spend the 300 on sway bars or will i get better handling leaving the sway bars alone and spending 500 on lowering springs and struts or hfp suspension.

I want to be cost effective and get the best bang for my buck. I'm not really interested in lowering the car if i don't have to.

CHRIS · 07-30-2007, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by astroboy

I'm toying with the idea of replacing my rear sway bar with a progress one on my lx coupe. The reason for doing so is to try to reduce body roll and understeer.

Can I simply replace just the rear or is it always best to replace both at the same time? (i.e. si front sway and progress rear)

I don't mind doing so but its just more $$. However the deciding factor is that I need to ensure that replacing just the rear sway won't throw the balance of the car off. I'm trying to achieve a very neutral feel. I don't want to be spinning out under "spirited" driving conditions.

Furthermore if i spend 300 on sway bars is it better to spend the 300 on sway bars or will i get better handling leaving the sway bars alone and spending 500 on lowering springs and struts or hfp suspension.

I want to be cost effective and get the best bang for my buck. I'm not really interested in lowering the car if i don't have to.

alot of members have only done one at a time with improvments. doing both gives the best results but i'm sure it's safe for only one at a time.

mO 64 StAnG 06 · 07-31-2007, 10:49 PM

No need to get Si front sway's... It's actually thicker than our sway's, so this will only increase understeer. Getting just the progress rear bar will make the car more neutral feeling, which is what you want.

And stiffer suspension will hardly do anything to improve handling. If you want better handling, sway bar's will help alot. But look into changing your camber, toe, and maybe even caster settings to get the best performance. That's if your really serious about changing the car's handling.

Way2Short · 07-31-2007, 11:02 PM

Why don't you get the Si sway bar? It' is MUCH cheaper and it's a great improvement as I have it but haven't installed it yet.

**truflip** · 07-31-2007, 11:18 PM

The Si sway bar is cheaper but then the Progress RSB is still better. Not sure how much but if it warrants Si owners to praise the Progress RSB, it should be enough

You shouldn't need to spend $300 on Sway bars. Just $150 ish

Keep the stock Front Sway Bar. I believe some have actually downgraded their Si's FSB to the LX/EX ones. A lower center of gravity (lowering the car) = less roll. Make sure if you do lower the car, don't skimp on the parts. Get good spring and dampers.

TeamValorRacing · 08-01-2007, 12:02 AM

on a fwd honda you dont want a super stiff Front sway bar because it INCREASES the chance for understeer and INCREASES the "push" effect when going into a turn. just call progress and ask for yourself.

***Sirbelch*** · 08-01-2007, 02:06 AM

The best way to improve handling is through better dampers. Dampers run the handling world with springs and sway bars as side kicks. Getting the HFP suspension would increase the limits of the car but will not change the handling dynamics (balance) of the car. To do that you must increase the stiffness (roll-couple distribution) at the rear of the car. Getting the progress RSB would do that. If you could afford it, i'd say HFP and the RSB to get the most fun out of the car for under 900 bucks. If you want something cheap that will change the handling dynamics of the car, just get the RSB, and get a better alignment. Get some front camber bolts for 30 bucks and max those out with negitive camber. Have the shop max out positvie caster in the front (make sure you tell them you want it even on both sides) and set the toe at 0 all the way around. That should change the feel/limits of the car for really cheap.

Highrev1 · 08-01-2007, 02:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Have the shop max out positvie caster in the front.

Negative camber up front right??

Not positive??

LucasBlack · 08-01-2007, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Get some front camber bolts for 30 bucks and max those out with negitive camber. Have the shop max out positvie caster in the front (make sure you tell them you want it even on both sides) and set the toe at 0 all the way around.

don't worry greg, he's got it covered.

***Sirbelch*** · 08-01-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Highrev1

Negative camber up front right??

Not positive??

I always get that confused.

I thought that moving the wheel toward the front of the car is positive. Thats what we want right? Or did i miss under stand yet another photo in an artical?

07-30-2007, 01:06 PM	#1 (permalink)
astroboy Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 51 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Sway bar questions I'm toying with the idea of replacing my rear sway bar with a progress one on my lx coupe. The reason for doing so is to try to reduce body roll and understeer. Can I simply replace just the rear or is it always best to replace both at the same time? (i.e. si front sway and progress rear) I don't mind doing so but its just more $$. However the deciding factor is that I need to ensure that replacing just the rear sway won't throw the balance of the car off. I'm trying to achieve a very neutral feel. I don't want to be spinning out under "spirited" driving conditions. Furthermore if i spend 300 on sway bars is it better to spend the 300 on sway bars or will i get better handling leaving the sway bars alone and spending 500 on lowering springs and struts or hfp suspension. I want to be cost effective and get the best bang for my buck. I'm not really interested in lowering the car if i don't have to.

07-31-2007, 10:49 PM	#3 (permalink)
mO 64 StAnG 06 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wylie, Texas Age: 20 Posts: 3,567 iTrader: 0 / 0%	No need to get Si front sway's... It's actually thicker than our sway's, so this will only increase understeer. Getting just the progress rear bar will make the car more neutral feeling, which is what you want. And stiffer suspension will hardly do anything to improve handling. If you want better handling, sway bar's will help alot. But look into changing your camber, toe, and maybe even caster settings to get the best performance. That's if your really serious about changing the car's handling. Last edited by mO 64 StAnG 06; 07-31-2007 at 11:02 PM.

07-31-2007, 11:18 PM	#5 (permalink)
truflip Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Ottawa, ON Age: 22 Posts: 9,132 iTrader: 11 / 100%	The Si sway bar is cheaper but then the Progress RSB is still better. Not sure how much but if it warrants Si owners to praise the Progress RSB, it should be enough You shouldn't need to spend $300 on Sway bars. Just $150 ish Keep the stock Front Sway Bar. I believe some have actually downgraded their Si's FSB to the LX/EX ones. A lower center of gravity (lowering the car) = less roll. Make sure if you do lower the car, don't skimp on the parts. Get good spring and dampers. __________________

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*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 5,636 Paul iTrader: 1 / 100%	The best way to improve handling is through better dampers. Dampers run the handling world with springs and sway bars as side kicks. Getting the HFP suspension would increase the limits of the car but will not change the handling dynamics (balance) of the car. To do that you must increase the stiffness (roll-couple distribution) at the rear of the car. Getting the progress RSB would do that. If you could afford it, i'd say HFP and the RSB to get the most fun out of the car for under 900 bucks. If you want something cheap that will change the handling dynamics of the car, just get the RSB, and get a better alignment. Get some front camber bolts for 30 bucks and max those out with negitive camber. Have the shop max out positvie caster in the front (make sure you tell them you want it even on both sides) and set the toe at 0 all the way around. That should change the feel/limits of the car for really cheap.