Suspension Theory/Chat Thread - Page 7

***Sirbelch*** · 08-20-2007, 08:08 PM

Thats why its a SIMPLE equation.

Highrev1 · 08-20-2007, 08:10 PM

Yeah right I still don't get it...but then again Math>ME

blue1 · 08-20-2007, 08:11 PM

Why are gummy bears made with carnuba wax?

Highrev1 · 08-20-2007, 08:17 PM

It took a while but I found it for you....

"Other ingredients are added during the manufacturing process as flavorants, lubricating agents, and shine enhancing agents. These include materials like beeswax, coconut oil, carnauba wax, mineral oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, pear concentrate, and confectioner's glaze, which are often added during the filling phase of manufacture."

***Sirbelch*** · 08-20-2007, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highrev1

Yeah right I still don't get it...but then again Math>ME

Well in math and physics classes they start with a general and simple equations and then add more detail to the equation as the students learn more. The general and simple equations are ususally for a lab situations. Lab situations can be applied to the real world and give you an idea of what is going on or going to happen but they will never be able to explain all the things that happen in the real world. I think you are over thinking the question. You know about a lot of "real world" equations, so you have too much experirnce to think at such a simple level.

Highrev1 · 08-20-2007, 08:31 PM

^^^Your POST>ME

I am feeling dumb tonight....I don't know why.

OH BTW expect a PM tomorrow for that # on those things

***Sirbelch*** · 08-20-2007, 08:49 PM

Ok, how about another example. Let’s use a house as an example. Lets say that the 15gr = (mph)^2 (I think is squared) can find the size in square feet of any house. What the equation gives you is just a number. It doesn’t have the detail to tell you how that square footage is arranged. So it gives you an idea of what is there but it doesn’t give you all the details. The simple equation will put you in the ball park, but it won’t tell you where you are in the park. Do those help? Also, i'll will

patiently and excitedly for the pm

Highrev1 · 08-21-2007, 02:01 PM

Ok lets discuss why a SLIGHT 4wd drift is faster than a car that HANDLES on RAIL....

Anyone around?

aki · 08-21-2007, 02:05 PM

What do you mean by slight 4wd? Like a hybrid 4wd (aka Skyline GT-R's Attesa ET-S)?

Highrev1 · 08-21-2007, 02:07 PM

Edited...

Drifting is slow....I don't mean like a full drift as the way it is refered to now. I mean slight sliding.

***Sirbelch*** · 08-21-2007, 06:13 PM

Cause wheels generate their maximum amount of grip with some slippage so if all 4 wheels are sliding a little, you are generating maximum grip which also means you are going as fast as you can around a corner. I think call this rotation. All four wheels are drifting around the pivot point of the car or CG.

Highrev1 · 08-21-2007, 06:16 PM

Yeah...to a certain point and then the scrub of that same 4wd acutally makes things slower. THat is why slight oversteer is the fastest.

Highrev1 · 08-21-2007, 06:21 PM

I mean you enter tooo hot and then just scrub through the turn that NG either, its really a fine line to this...can't be explained has to be felt really.

Highrev1 · 08-21-2007, 07:34 PM

OK so anyone OTHER than BELCH!!!!

Cause this is turning into our personal CHAT!!

Why is too low bad?

***Sirbelch*** · 08-21-2007, 08:01 PM

Too low is not bad on a car that is designed for it, i.e. any ground up race car. Too low is bad for a street car do to the lack of suspension travel. The lack of suspension travel does not allow the car to resist the forces of turning AND absorb bumps at the same time. This causes the car to hit its bump stops which will then send that corner of the car (or side, or whole car) off the ground. A tire that is not on the ground isn't doing anything to help the car turn, stop, or accelerate.

Highrev1 · 08-21-2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highrev1

OK so anyone OTHER than BELCH!!!!

I am not working with you anymore...you are getting more knowlegable than Me!!! I don't like that

***Sirbelch*** · 08-21-2007, 08:28 PM

No, i just have better english skills than you do so i just sounds better

. Like the 2 posts after my answer to the 4 wheel drift. What where you saing in those. I have a vague idea of what you are saying but i do not completely understand them. Do you have a PM for me?

Why do F1 cars have such high side walls on their tires? Does this have some advantage that I don't know about? Sports cars don't. Turing cars don't. Nascar does, but thats due to the rules.

Highrev1 · 08-21-2007, 08:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

No, i just have better english skills than you do so i just sounds better

. Like the 2 posts after my answer to the 4 wheel drift. What where you saing in those. I have a vague idea of what you are saying but i do not completely understand them. Do you have a PM for me?

Why do F1 cars have such high side walls on their tires? Does this have some advantage that I don't know about? Sports cars don't. Turing cars don't. Nascar does, but thats due to the rules.

NO PM today

I am sorry I will I promise In the AM....The above posts I was saying a SLIGHT four wheel drift is faster than "being on rails"

As for the tires I beleive its all about Regulations and rules but I will look into that for you

**Yodums** · 08-21-2007, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Highrev1

OK so anyone OTHER than BELCH!!!!

Cause this is turning into our personal CHAT!!

Why is too low bad?

Alright... I guess I could ban you and that'll solve everything, haha... I only lurk this thread.

Highrev1 · 08-21-2007, 08:47 PM

Yoa'll kind not welcome in hear

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08-20-2007, 08:08 PM	#121 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Thats why its a SIMPLE equation.

08-20-2007, 08:10 PM	#122 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Yeah right I still don't get it...but then again Math>ME

08-20-2007, 08:11 PM	#123 (permalink)
blue1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 3,566 iTrader: 7 / 100%	Why are gummy bears made with carnuba wax?

08-20-2007, 08:17 PM	#124 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	It took a while but I found it for you.... "Other ingredients are added during the manufacturing process as flavorants, lubricating agents, and shine enhancing agents. These include materials like beeswax, coconut oil, carnauba wax, mineral oil, partially hydrogenated soybean oil, pear concentrate, and confectioner's glaze, which are often added during the filling phase of manufacture."

08-20-2007, 08:31 PM	#126 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	^^^Your POST>ME I am feeling dumb tonight....I don't know why. OH BTW expect a PM tomorrow for that # on those things

08-20-2007, 08:49 PM	#127 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Ok, how about another example. Let’s use a house as an example. Lets say that the 15gr = (mph)^2 (I think is squared) can find the size in square feet of any house. What the equation gives you is just a number. It doesn’t have the detail to tell you how that square footage is arranged. So it gives you an idea of what is there but it doesn’t give you all the details. The simple equation will put you in the ball park, but it won’t tell you where you are in the park. Do those help? Also, i'll will patiently and excitedly for the pm

08-21-2007, 02:01 PM	#128 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Ok lets discuss why a SLIGHT 4wd drift is faster than a car that HANDLES on RAIL.... Anyone around?

08-21-2007, 02:05 PM	#129 (permalink)
aki Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: tehインターウェブ Age: 30 Posts: 6,630 Semi-Si Sedan Hater iTrader: 7 / 100%	What do you mean by slight 4wd? Like a hybrid 4wd (aka Skyline GT-R's Attesa ET-S)?

08-21-2007, 02:07 PM	#130 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Edited... Drifting is slow....I don't mean like a full drift as the way it is refered to now. I mean slight sliding.

08-21-2007, 06:13 PM	#131 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Cause wheels generate their maximum amount of grip with some slippage so if all 4 wheels are sliding a little, you are generating maximum grip which also means you are going as fast as you can around a corner. I think call this rotation. All four wheels are drifting around the pivot point of the car or CG.

08-21-2007, 06:16 PM	#132 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Yeah...to a certain point and then the scrub of that same 4wd acutally makes things slower. THat is why slight oversteer is the fastest.

08-21-2007, 06:21 PM	#133 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I mean you enter tooo hot and then just scrub through the turn that NG either, its really a fine line to this...can't be explained has to be felt really.

08-21-2007, 07:34 PM	#134 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	OK so anyone OTHER than BELCH!!!! Cause this is turning into our personal CHAT!! Why is too low bad?

08-21-2007, 08:01 PM	#135 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Too low is not bad on a car that is designed for it, i.e. any ground up race car. Too low is bad for a street car do to the lack of suspension travel. The lack of suspension travel does not allow the car to resist the forces of turning AND absorb bumps at the same time. This causes the car to hit its bump stops which will then send that corner of the car (or side, or whole car) off the ground. A tire that is not on the ground isn't doing anything to help the car turn, stop, or accelerate.

08-21-2007, 08:28 PM	#137 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	No, i just have better english skills than you do so i just sounds better . Like the 2 posts after my answer to the 4 wheel drift. What where you saing in those. I have a vague idea of what you are saying but i do not completely understand them. Do you have a PM for me? Why do F1 cars have such high side walls on their tires? Does this have some advantage that I don't know about? Sports cars don't. Turing cars don't. Nascar does, but thats due to the rules.

08-21-2007, 08:47 PM	#140 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Yoa'll kind not welcome in hear