Suspension Theory/Chat Thread - Page 3

***Sirbelch*** · 06-11-2007, 05:32 PM

500 lbs/in 560lbs/in F/R. I hate having to clean my suspension everytime you puke on them so could you at least aim the other way.

Highrev1 · 06-11-2007, 05:38 PM

Well there is no P-ing on smiley

***Sirbelch*** · 06-11-2007, 05:58 PM

You better not pee on them either. The springs really aren't that bad. They allow just the right amount of body roll, imo, and they are only rough on the biggest of bumps. I am very happy with them even if you aren't so
: P

Highrev1 · 06-11-2007, 06:02 PM

Teins are good for the street. I just am not in love withthem cause of their dampers, they adjust rebound/bump with one knob. Thats just not good to get the best handling out of your car. You end up running out of one or the other with one knob. There not bad but not good if your trying to get that last 10th of a second in a competition.

***Sirbelch*** · 06-11-2007, 06:10 PM

Oh i sooooooooo know that. If i had it my way, (and more money) I would get something that is triple adjustable with remote reservoirs and stuff. I'm not looking for the last tenth because i'd never be able to afford it. I'm just looking for better than stock handling limits and that certain feel i'm looking for. I want it to be more neutral with more stick and i am on my way.

Highrev1 · 06-13-2007, 07:31 PM

Sooooooooooooo....Sirbelch why'd you get rid of the Tein's???

I love seeing more people in this area than that "other" area.

***Sirbelch*** · 06-13-2007, 07:39 PM

Hahahahahahahha. I got rid of my Tein SS that i used to have. Now I have tein Flex. The ss were just toooooo soft and they didn't have the adjustable camber plates in the front and preload can be adjusted separately from ride height. sooo : P I was wondering if you would find that and, if you did, was expecting you to give me some sh@# for it.

Highrev1 · 06-13-2007, 07:41 PM

ALMOST!!!! DAMMIT

drfters13 · 06-13-2007, 07:47 PM

well since you say buying pre built coilovers aren't worth getting, should i just wait and build my own? i'm thinking about getting the hfp suspension only because i don't wanna spend much right now. i've read you don't need to get camber arms and bolts, but would you recommend buying them anyways?

***Sirbelch*** · 06-13-2007, 07:48 PM

I'm sticking with what i got until they blow and then i'll try something else

Highrev1 · 06-13-2007, 07:51 PM

WHEN TO USE CAMBER KITS?/DO I NEED A CAMBER KIT? YES!!!!

The real answer is its up to you. Do you want to handle better, reduce tire wear or have real control over your suspension?

***Sirbelch*** · 06-14-2007, 08:11 PM

just cause i like being an ass from time to time ... Won't a camber kit only move tire wear from the outside of the tire to the inside of the tire?

I'm sure it will reduce over all tire wear on a car that is driven hard but i'm just playing around. Bored at work.

Highrev1 · 06-14-2007, 08:22 PM

The ideal is to maximize the enite tire contact patch not one edge more than another. That is what can cause irregular tire wear. If you are on a track you will want more camber, if you are on the street less will work.

"Ultimatly the only way to find the "perfect" amount of static negitive camber is to take tire temps.
Actually the major culperate to increased tire wear isnt camber, but Toe. catch is, you can "see" camber, but cant see Toe, so as per norm, people blame the increase in tire wear on camber because they can actually see it. when most of the time its actually Toe (bad toe settings will eat tires 10X faster then just about any amount of camber.
Note: Too much toe in causes excessive wear on the inside of the tire (looks like camber wear) where as too much toe out causes excessive wear on the outside of the tire."

***Sirbelch*** · 06-14-2007, 08:33 PM

but i wasn't talking about toe i was talking about camber. : P If i had more money for tires, i'd run a little toe out in the front and a little toe in in the rear. But tires ain't cheap and i go though a set about one a year as is, so i can't. Ohhhhhhhh Wellllllllll. Were is Red Shift Motorsports anyway?

***Sirbelch*** · 06-14-2007, 08:41 PM

Never mind that last quesion.

Highrev1 · 06-14-2007, 08:41 PM

"Ultimatly the only way to find the "perfect" amount of static negitive camber is to take tire temps. "

Thats the key, people can see camber thats why they blame it on camber. Toe eats em worse.

Were in PA.

***Sirbelch*** · 06-14-2007, 08:44 PM

What do you use to take your tire temps?

Highrev1 · 06-14-2007, 08:50 PM

My Wenis....

Just kidding Laser temps aren't as accuarate, get a probe.

http://www.longacreracing.com/articles/art.asp?artid=16

***Sirbelch*** · 06-14-2007, 08:59 PM

Did you use the tire temp gauge to get your camber settings of 1.75/1.25 f/r (if i remember correctly) or is that just your starting point?

Highrev1 · 06-14-2007, 09:15 PM

I am SOOOO good I don't need a Temp gauge

Just being an Ass.

Personally I maxed front camber, considering I knew a general idea of the suspension setup then I balanced rear to what I acheived in front. Then fine tuned the toe so rotation was SWEET. I did this on Autox tracks, or Race tracks, NOT on the street.

I still run -2 front for the street. and some crazy toe settings.

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06-11-2007, 05:32 PM	#41 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	500 lbs/in 560lbs/in F/R. I hate having to clean my suspension everytime you puke on them so could you at least aim the other way.

06-11-2007, 05:38 PM	#42 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Well there is no P-ing on smiley

06-11-2007, 05:58 PM	#43 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	You better not pee on them either. The springs really aren't that bad. They allow just the right amount of body roll, imo, and they are only rough on the biggest of bumps. I am very happy with them even if you aren't so : P

06-11-2007, 06:02 PM	#44 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Teins are good for the street. I just am not in love withthem cause of their dampers, they adjust rebound/bump with one knob. Thats just not good to get the best handling out of your car. You end up running out of one or the other with one knob. There not bad but not good if your trying to get that last 10th of a second in a competition.

06-11-2007, 06:10 PM	#45 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Oh i sooooooooo know that. If i had it my way, (and more money) I would get something that is triple adjustable with remote reservoirs and stuff. I'm not looking for the last tenth because i'd never be able to afford it. I'm just looking for better than stock handling limits and that certain feel i'm looking for. I want it to be more neutral with more stick and i am on my way.

06-13-2007, 07:31 PM	#46 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Sooooooooooooo....Sirbelch why'd you get rid of the Tein's??? I love seeing more people in this area than that "other" area.

06-13-2007, 07:39 PM	#47 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Hahahahahahahha. I got rid of my Tein SS that i used to have. Now I have tein Flex. The ss were just toooooo soft and they didn't have the adjustable camber plates in the front and preload can be adjusted separately from ride height. sooo : P I was wondering if you would find that and, if you did, was expecting you to give me some sh@# for it.

06-13-2007, 07:41 PM	#48 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	ALMOST!!!! DAMMIT

06-13-2007, 07:47 PM	#49 (permalink)
drfters13 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Stockton, CA Posts: 1,487 iTrader: 6 / 100%	well since you say buying pre built coilovers aren't worth getting, should i just wait and build my own? i'm thinking about getting the hfp suspension only because i don't wanna spend much right now. i've read you don't need to get camber arms and bolts, but would you recommend buying them anyways?

06-13-2007, 07:48 PM	#50 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	I'm sticking with what i got until they blow and then i'll try something else

06-13-2007, 07:51 PM	#51 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	WHEN TO USE CAMBER KITS?/DO I NEED A CAMBER KIT? YES!!!! The real answer is its up to you. Do you want to handle better, reduce tire wear or have real control over your suspension?

06-14-2007, 08:11 PM	#52 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	just cause i like being an ass from time to time ... Won't a camber kit only move tire wear from the outside of the tire to the inside of the tire? I'm sure it will reduce over all tire wear on a car that is driven hard but i'm just playing around. Bored at work.

06-14-2007, 08:22 PM	#53 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	The ideal is to maximize the enite tire contact patch not one edge more than another. That is what can cause irregular tire wear. If you are on a track you will want more camber, if you are on the street less will work. "Ultimatly the only way to find the "perfect" amount of static negitive camber is to take tire temps. Actually the major culperate to increased tire wear isnt camber, but Toe. catch is, you can "see" camber, but cant see Toe, so as per norm, people blame the increase in tire wear on camber because they can actually see it. when most of the time its actually Toe (bad toe settings will eat tires 10X faster then just about any amount of camber. Note: Too much toe in causes excessive wear on the inside of the tire (looks like camber wear) where as too much toe out causes excessive wear on the outside of the tire."

06-14-2007, 08:33 PM	#54 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	but i wasn't talking about toe i was talking about camber. : P If i had more money for tires, i'd run a little toe out in the front and a little toe in in the rear. But tires ain't cheap and i go though a set about one a year as is, so i can't. Ohhhhhhhh Wellllllllll. Were is Red Shift Motorsports anyway?

06-14-2007, 08:41 PM	#55 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Never mind that last quesion.

06-14-2007, 08:41 PM	#56 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	"Ultimatly the only way to find the "perfect" amount of static negitive camber is to take tire temps. " Thats the key, people can see camber thats why they blame it on camber. Toe eats em worse. Were in PA.

06-14-2007, 08:44 PM	#57 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	What do you use to take your tire temps?

06-14-2007, 08:50 PM	#58 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	My Wenis.... Just kidding Laser temps aren't as accuarate, get a probe. http://www.longacreracing.com/articles/art.asp?artid=16

06-14-2007, 08:59 PM	#59 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Did you use the tire temp gauge to get your camber settings of 1.75/1.25 f/r (if i remember correctly) or is that just your starting point?

06-14-2007, 09:15 PM	#60 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I am SOOOO good I don't need a Temp gauge Just being an Ass. Personally I maxed front camber, considering I knew a general idea of the suspension setup then I balanced rear to what I acheived in front. Then fine tuned the toe so rotation was SWEET. I did this on Autox tracks, or Race tracks, NOT on the street. I still run -2 front for the street. and some crazy toe settings.