Mugen Sport Suspension Kit for 07 civic SI sdn

bigpun07 · 06-03-2007, 01:22 AM

I know there are a lot of forums out there about after market suspension kit for current gen civic sdn and coupe. my concern is that if i install the suspension kit on my civic SI do i need to get the camber kit ajustment or is that a personal perference.

i was interested in mugen suspension kit and was wondering would need to get the camber adjustment kit, if i am doing normal driving daily to my work and around town, and sometime i might get excited have some fun. but overall normal driving condition.

so please reccomend me on what i should do?

thanks,

StLVtec · 06-03-2007, 01:27 AM

i heard you dont need a camber kit. im interested in the mugen to but i might just go cheap and get some springs

TampaSi07 · 06-03-2007, 01:54 AM

I heard that there is this button called "search" and when you use it you actually find your question has already been asked and answered hundreds of times.

bossman · 06-03-2007, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bigpun07

I know there are a lot of forums out there about after market suspension kit for current gen civic sdn and coupe. my concern is that if i install the suspension kit on my civic SI do i need to get the camber kit ajustment or is that a personal perference.

i was interested in mugen suspension kit and was wondering would need to get the camber adjustment kit, if i am doing normal driving daily to my work and around town, and sometime i might get excited have some fun. but overall normal driving condition.

so please reccomend me on what i should do?

thanks,

Word on the forums is that the rear camber changes more drastically than the front unlike older hondas.I would say that a camber kit is a cheap and easy solution to this if it is an issue with you.As far as your choice of suspension I would suggest something cheaper only because there are many people here that don't have Mugen money but have dammed good suspensions like Tein,Buddy club and others with more coming out in the future from different companies.

Civic_Sista · 06-09-2007, 04:12 PM

I have the Mugen Suspension on my coupe, and a camber kit wasnt needed.

Highrev1 · 06-09-2007, 04:14 PM

WHEN TO USE CAMBER KITS?/DO I NEED A CAMBER KIT? YES!!!!

The real answer is its up to you. Do you want to handle better, reduce tire wear or have real control over your suspension?

ALIGNMENTS!!

Well you guys spend alot of money on your suspension parts right. Then you go right back to the OEM alignment which uh sucks. That alignment is not for performance. It is strickly to make tires last and make sure your car understeers. Both of those things don't make a car turn well. You will need a set or 2 of front camber bolts, and a rear camber kit to adjust camber.

The factory specs are as follows.
Camber
Front
0 º 00 '±30 '
Rear
-1 º 30 '+1 º 05 '-0 º 45 '
Caster
Front
7 º 00 '±1 º
Total toe-in
Front
0±2 mm (0±0.08 in.)
Rear
2+2-1 mm (0.08+0.08-0.04 in.)

So why are these specs Crap? We want more oversteer without Murdering our tires right. A balanced less "pushy" car.
Well, If you look at the OEM spec's, Honda has setup these specs to pretty much allow for NO camber up front. And about -1 degree in the rear. Why? So your car understeers. This is so the car is safe for you to drive without the waggin the tail all over the place. This also does not allow for good turn in or a "fun" car to drive.

We need to change this. Why Camber does not eat tires. Ok so maybee it does but not nearly as bad as TOE, we will get to this. So the more -camber up front the car will handle better. TO a point anyway. And you need to balance out the rear’s camber to “match” to front to have a balance, slightly overteering FWD car is the "fast" way around a track.

TOE TOE eats TIRES!! Toe can help a cars handling. Too much toe and you eat tires and the car can wander on the highway. Too little and you are hindering the cars ability to turn.

Toe out on the front will tend to make the car turn in better and toe in on the nose will make the car understeer more. For the street I say 1/32 shouldn't effect tire wear enough for the gains.

For the rear, Toe out will increase the cars tendency to oversteer, where toe in will decrease it. More toe in to make it understeer more (less oversteer) More towards toe out to make it rotate more.
If you want to keep your tires ok and still turn well. Get a camber kit with some decent alignment specs!!

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bigpun07 Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 35 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Mugen Sport Suspension Kit for 07 civic SI sdn I know there are a lot of forums out there about after market suspension kit for current gen civic sdn and coupe. my concern is that if i install the suspension kit on my civic SI do i need to get the camber kit ajustment or is that a personal perference. i was interested in mugen suspension kit and was wondering would need to get the camber adjustment kit, if i am doing normal driving daily to my work and around town, and sometime i might get excited have some fun. but overall normal driving condition. so please reccomend me on what i should do? thanks,

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Highrev1 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,801 iTrader: 1 / 100%	WHEN TO USE CAMBER KITS?/DO I NEED A CAMBER KIT? YES!!!! The real answer is its up to you. Do you want to handle better, reduce tire wear or have real control over your suspension? ALIGNMENTS!! Well you guys spend alot of money on your suspension parts right. Then you go right back to the OEM alignment which uh sucks. That alignment is not for performance. It is strickly to make tires last and make sure your car understeers. Both of those things don't make a car turn well. You will need a set or 2 of front camber bolts, and a rear camber kit to adjust camber. The factory specs are as follows. Camber Front 0 º 00 '±30 ' Rear -1 º 30 '+1 º 05 '-0 º 45 ' Caster Front 7 º 00 '±1 º Total toe-in Front 0±2 mm (0±0.08 in.) Rear 2+2-1 mm (0.08+0.08-0.04 in.) So why are these specs Crap? We want more oversteer without Murdering our tires right. A balanced less "pushy" car. Well, If you look at the OEM spec's, Honda has setup these specs to pretty much allow for NO camber up front. And about -1 degree in the rear. Why? So your car understeers. This is so the car is safe for you to drive without the waggin the tail all over the place. This also does not allow for good turn in or a "fun" car to drive. We need to change this. Why Camber does not eat tires. Ok so maybee it does but not nearly as bad as TOE, we will get to this. So the more -camber up front the car will handle better. TO a point anyway. And you need to balance out the rear’s camber to “match” to front to have a balance, slightly overteering FWD car is the "fast" way around a track. TOE TOE eats TIRES!! Toe can help a cars handling. Too much toe and you eat tires and the car can wander on the highway. Too little and you are hindering the cars ability to turn. Toe out on the front will tend to make the car turn in better and toe in on the nose will make the car understeer more. For the street I say 1/32 shouldn't effect tire wear enough for the gains. For the rear, Toe out will increase the cars tendency to oversteer, where toe in will decrease it. More toe in to make it understeer more (less oversteer) More towards toe out to make it rotate more. If you want to keep your tires ok and still turn well. Get a camber kit with some decent alignment specs!!