Suspension Variables And Definitions - Page 6

***Sirbelch*** · 09-29-2007, 08:10 PM

DON'T put non HFP springs on the HFP suspension. The dampers are valved to work perfectly with with the springs. So changing them is going to defeat the purpose of getting better handling out of the car. If you really want to hanlde better, looks sould be of no concern. Remember, you can't see the what the car looks like when you are driving, you can only tell how it feels. The Si suspenion can pull .9g on some sticky rubber and even more with a good alignment. I would call that pretty good.

smokenrowboy · 10-02-2007, 03:11 PM

sorry if i missed it reading the article, but do front and rear lower tie bars affect handling considerably? im no longer interested in a sway bar because of the recently discovered endlink problem, and h-braces dont do much

fiji-blew · 10-02-2007, 06:47 PM

wat eizz dis end link problem?

eugenekim.net · 10-02-2007, 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fiji-blew

wat eizz dis end link problem?

it's a spelling problem

Highrev1 · 10-02-2007, 10:16 PM

I didn't get the question....

***Redleg06Si*** · 10-02-2007, 11:03 PM

Important info for all those with aftermarket sways!

***Sirbelch*** · 10-02-2007, 11:10 PM

The tie bar will help with feel a little, it won't help handling (quantitatively), but should increase your confidence in your driving skills because you think it is supposed to help so you drive the car harder than you ever did before which makes you think that the tie bar works.

aki · 10-05-2007, 07:01 PM

Hypothetically, a tiebar reduces body twisting and increases rigidity. But if you look at the front tie bar it's across the firewall section of the frame which seems pretty rigid already. Something tells me it won't make that much of a difference.

***P1NGP1NG*** · 10-05-2007, 11:28 PM

any idea on the mugen type-r sports suspension ?
thanks...

Highrev1 · 10-06-2007, 12:10 AM

Sure here is all theinformation you will need

***Sirbelch*** · 10-06-2007, 12:12 AM

Those seem to be some ok dyno curves. Revy, your thoughts on the curves?

Highrev1 · 10-06-2007, 03:16 AM

It appears as if they almost reduced rebound on the rear dampers on the mugen setup compared to the stock dampers. Other than that they appear to be slightly more aggressive, although the mugen fronts have what appears to be more low speed valving, I think it is after 3 here and I am waswted

***Sirbelch*** · 10-06-2007, 05:09 AM

So, with the more low speed damping in the front they will have more roll resistance than the stock type r suspension. Also, with the lower mid to high speed damping and compression front and rear, they would be a little nicer on the butt on the big bumps of the streets.
Its 2 am out here and im drinking too. 3.5 shots of jack on the rocks in 45 minutes.

djthomi · 10-11-2007, 12:48 PM

Nice write-up, thanks!

Piotrush · 01-12-2008, 12:49 PM

Great thread!

I'm looking for similar handling as I had on my prelude SH; OTS konis, 400F/450R GC, ST 25mm rear bar, strut braces. Originally started with the 450 springs in front, but I was much happier when I moved them to the back.

Thing is that I think the GCs were overkill for what I needed. I was lowered about an inch, never got corner balanced, once I found my ride height I kept it that way till I traded th car in...so over 2 years. I didn't even adjust the shocks too often.

On my Si, I already have the PS2 tires and I'm contemplating 2 setups:
1) HFP suspension + alignment + maybe rear anti roll bar (if I need more rotation).
2) OTS Konis with stock springs + alignment + rear anti roll bar (I'm guessing it wont rotate enough w/o it since I'll be using stock springs). I'll also be able to lower the car a tiny bit with the various circlip positions, I assume.

I'm just thinking that doing the whole GC/Koni combo is overkill since this car might only see some auto-x/HPDE action, which will be strictly for fun, not competition. Any comments or feedback on my 2 choices from the suspension gurus greatly appreciated.

***Sirbelch*** · 01-12-2008, 06:54 PM

^^^Are the OTS konis for your lude an insert? Koni's site says they are inserts, sites that sell them say they are a full shock ready to bolt in. My friend is going to get them.

Did you like the ride on your lude with the OTS konis/GC combo? If you did, why not get them again for the Si? Even though you aren't looking to really compete in any auto xes, I bet you will have more fun with the OTS konis/GC combo then the other two you have listed. Going fast is fun. Going faster is more funner.

Rems07si · 01-21-2008, 03:03 AM

Hey im looking for a suspension kit that rides close or better then stock over bumps and pot holes but fits 18s with no gape can someone help me please I just don't have the money or time to find out the hard way by buying like 3 kits to find the right one no what I mean.

DigitalAnalog · 02-04-2008, 08:44 PM

Great thread!

friedk · 02-04-2008, 09:34 PM

Gtoooo

eugenekim.net · 02-27-2008, 06:14 AM

greg, what do u think of pic performance coil-overs?

01-12-2008, 12:49 PM	#115 (permalink)
Piotrush Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stamford CT Age: 26 Posts: 478 Peter iTrader: 0 / 0%	Great thread! I'm looking for similar handling as I had on my prelude SH; OTS konis, 400F/450R GC, ST 25mm rear bar, strut braces. Originally started with the 450 springs in front, but I was much happier when I moved them to the back. Thing is that I think the GCs were overkill for what I needed. I was lowered about an inch, never got corner balanced, once I found my ride height I kept it that way till I traded th car in...so over 2 years. I didn't even adjust the shocks too often. On my Si, I already have the PS2 tires and I'm contemplating 2 setups: 1) HFP suspension + alignment + maybe rear anti roll bar (if I need more rotation). 2) OTS Konis with stock springs + alignment + rear anti roll bar (I'm guessing it wont rotate enough w/o it since I'll be using stock springs). I'll also be able to lower the car a tiny bit with the various circlip positions, I assume. I'm just thinking that doing the whole GC/Koni combo is overkill since this car might only see some auto-x/HPDE action, which will be strictly for fun, not competition. Any comments or feedback on my 2 choices from the suspension gurus greatly appreciated. Last edited by Piotrush; 01-12-2008 at 02:02 PM.

01-12-2008, 06:54 PM	#116 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	^^^Are the OTS konis for your lude an insert? Koni's site says they are inserts, sites that sell them say they are a full shock ready to bolt in. My friend is going to get them. Did you like the ride on your lude with the OTS konis/GC combo? If you did, why not get them again for the Si? Even though you aren't looking to really compete in any auto xes, I bet you will have more fun with the OTS konis/GC combo then the other two you have listed. Going fast is fun. Going faster is more funner. __________________ You know what the sun's all about when the light go out.

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09-29-2007, 08:10 PM	#101 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	DON'T put non HFP springs on the HFP suspension. The dampers are valved to work perfectly with with the springs. So changing them is going to defeat the purpose of getting better handling out of the car. If you really want to hanlde better, looks sould be of no concern. Remember, you can't see the what the car looks like when you are driving, you can only tell how it feels. The Si suspenion can pull .9g on some sticky rubber and even more with a good alignment. I would call that pretty good.

10-02-2007, 03:11 PM	#102 (permalink)
smokenrowboy Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Earth...for now Posts: 504 FMInterf00ler0_o iTrader: 6 / 100%	sorry if i missed it reading the article, but do front and rear lower tie bars affect handling considerably? im no longer interested in a sway bar because of the recently discovered endlink problem, and h-braces dont do much

10-02-2007, 06:47 PM	#103 (permalink)
fiji-blew Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Iraq Age: 24 Posts: 702 iTrader: 1 / 100%	wat eizz dis end link problem?

10-02-2007, 10:16 PM	#105 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I didn't get the question....

10-02-2007, 11:10 PM	#107 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	The tie bar will help with feel a little, it won't help handling (quantitatively), but should increase your confidence in your driving skills because you think it is supposed to help so you drive the car harder than you ever did before which makes you think that the tie bar works.

10-05-2007, 07:01 PM	#108 (permalink)
aki Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: tehインターウェブ Age: 30 Posts: 6,630 Semi-Si Sedan Hater iTrader: 7 / 100%	Hypothetically, a tiebar reduces body twisting and increases rigidity. But if you look at the front tie bar it's across the firewall section of the frame which seems pretty rigid already. Something tells me it won't make that much of a difference.

10-05-2007, 11:28 PM	#109 (permalink)
*P1NGP1NG* -=[P1NGP1NG]=- Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: 626 SoCal Posts: 1,413 Ping Ping iTrader: 3 / 100%	any idea on the mugen type-r sports suspension ? thanks...

10-06-2007, 12:10 AM	#110 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Sure here is all theinformation you will need

10-06-2007, 12:12 AM	#111 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Those seem to be some ok dyno curves. Revy, your thoughts on the curves?

10-06-2007, 03:16 AM	#112 (permalink)
Highrev1 Senior Member Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PM me NothernNJ Installs/Details Posts: 3,877 iTrader: 1 / 100%	It appears as if they almost reduced rebound on the rear dampers on the mugen setup compared to the stock dampers. Other than that they appear to be slightly more aggressive, although the mugen fronts have what appears to be more low speed valving, I think it is after 3 here and I am waswted

10-06-2007, 05:09 AM	#113 (permalink)
*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 27 Posts: 6,498 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	So, with the more low speed damping in the front they will have more roll resistance than the stock type r suspension. Also, with the lower mid to high speed damping and compression front and rear, they would be a little nicer on the butt on the big bumps of the streets. Its 2 am out here and im drinking too. 3.5 shots of jack on the rocks in 45 minutes.

10-11-2007, 12:48 PM	#114 (permalink)
djthomi Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austin, TX Age: 22 Posts: 1,215 Tommy iTrader: 0 / 0%	Nice write-up, thanks!

01-21-2008, 03:03 AM	#117 (permalink)
Rems07si Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Pa Age: 25 Posts: 1,016 Remy iTrader: 0 / 0%	Hey im looking for a suspension kit that rides close or better then stock over bumps and pot holes but fits 18s with no gape can someone help me please I just don't have the money or time to find out the hard way by buying like 3 kits to find the right one no what I mean.

02-04-2008, 08:44 PM	#118 (permalink)
DigitalAnalog Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Langley, BC Age: 29 Posts: 1,734 Greatest Teacher Onizuka iTrader: 0 / 0%	Great thread!

02-04-2008, 09:34 PM	#119 (permalink)
friedk Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 2,019 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Gtoooo

02-27-2008, 06:14 AM	#120 (permalink)
eugenekim.net Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: huntington beach, ca Age: 22 Posts: 1,832 captain obvious iTrader: 0 / 0%	greg, what do u think of pic performance coil-overs?