So when are companies coming out with Aftermarket Shocks????

[honda93]

Originally Posted by watice

I could've sworn I saw this guy post before and flat out say that Koni will not be making shocks for this car...

If you're referring to me, then you are INcorrect.

From the very beginning (late 2005 after SEMA) I knew that Koni saw the importance of making a damper for the new FG Civic. However, the debate has been over whether Koni would make a direct-replacement strut OR if they would make insert cartridges that would fit inside the OEM strut housing.

Due to its popularity the direct replacement option is the most logical, but Koni hasn't had much luck getting the stampings required to make a strut housing.

Honestly people, if Koni decided from "Day 1" to exclusively do just inserts, we could have had something on market at least a year ago.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[Kurt]

F'real, I need some. I've already blown 1 and I think I blew another this past weekend autocrossing.

[audiophile]

I need some shocks too....

[honda93]

OK... Here's some info. The news isn't good for those of you looking to do something in the short-term.


Anthony,

I did speak to him but I didn't get any real answers. They have not yet received the actual spring perch stampings yet which is the major hold-up. They are working toward inserts for now for the Civic in Europe but know that the full strut is our priority in the US. One big complication is that for the first time Honda has a different strut on those cars in Asia, North America and Europe. Once before they did the Type R/'88 CRX/Taiwanese rear lower control arm thing but this is a broader range difference apparently. He couldn't really give me any more info that otehr than that they are still moving forward but not ready to state a time frame for availability.






Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[honda06si]

that sucks

[blaznhot_23]

if only they knew how much demand there is for their koni yellows for our fg2s....

[honda93]

Originally Posted by blaznhot_23

if only they knew how much demand there is for their koni yellows for our fg2s....

Believe me they know, but they can't do anything about it if Honda doesn't sell them stampings to make copies of our front strut housings regarding the spring perch and knuckle brackets.

Again, if it was decided that we were to only get inserts, they would have been available quite some time ago.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[rkalloo]

why not just get coilovers..jeeze...they come with shocks.......oh and why dont the coilover makers just sell shocks seperately?

[Punting_midgets]

oh well....... the wait continues

[notty]

Skunk2 Sport shocks are available NOW! Not sure why nobody has picked up on this but I even confirmed with Skunk2 myself.

[tonydrone]

Originally Posted by notty

Skunk2 Sport shocks are available NOW! Not sure why nobody has picked up on this but I even confirmed with Skunk2 myself.

Available from where? They're not on the Skunk2 site...

[notty]

I cannot say what sites these are available through as I have already been banned for that, haha. But below I have copied and pasted the email I received from Skunk2 this morning.


Thank you for contacting the Helpdesk at Skunk2 Racing. Our Sport shocks are currently available for the 2006+ civic si part#541-05-1250. You can order a set through either our website www.skunk2.com or any authorized Skunk2 dealer. If you have any more questions regarding Skunk2 products or policy please let us know. Thanks.





Customer Service



Skunk2 Racing

2050 5th St.

Norco, Ca

Thanks for using the help desk, if you have any further difficulties or are required to respond to your request, please login to the help desk

[honda93]

Originally Posted by notty

[i]Thank you for contacting the Helpdesk at Skunk2 Racing. Our Sport shocks are currently available for the 2006+ civic si part#541-05-1250. You can order a set through either our website www.skunk2.com or any authorized Skunk2 dealer. If you have any more questions regarding Skunk2 products or policy please let us know. Thanks.

I really don't want to be a dick about this, but Koni also has part numbers. Have someone at Skunk2 physically take a picture of a unit IN INVENTORY, even if it's boxed, with that part number (541-05-1250) and post it here.

And no, Koni doesn't "sponsor" me.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[notty]

honda93, you are correct about the shocks from Skunk2. I had a feeling you knew what you were talking about so I contacted them again and this is the response I got.....

Thank you for contacting the Helpdesk at Skunk2 Racing. We apologize for the inconvenience but the sport shocks for the 06+ Si will not be available most likely until late in the year (Winter). If you have any more questions regarding Skunk2 products or policy please let us know. Thanks.

[honda93]

Originally Posted by notty

honda93, you are correct about the shocks from Skunk2. I had a feeling you knew what you were talking about so I contacted them again and this is the response I got.....

Thank you for contacting the Helpdesk at Skunk2 Racing. We apologize for the inconvenience but the sport shocks for the 06+ Si will not be available most likely until late in the year (Winter). If you have any more questions regarding Skunk2 products or policy please let us know. Thanks.

I hate being right in matters like this, but basically, if the big guys (Koni, Bilstein) don't have a product, neither will the little guys. I don't care what anybody says, without physical proof, don't believe it.


Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[Si_Jeff]

wow, that sucks about the koni. i thought they were gonna come out soon. i guess honda don't want to sell them the stampings because they know it will outsell their hfp suspension. i guess mugen is the good choice now. they have the mugen ss and the mugen type r suspension and it fits the fg2.

[jb07si]

So what are TEIN and buddy club and megan using in their setups? I have always been somewhat leary like the above poster says when the more generic manufacturers are so fast to market. I have been talking to the guys at ground control for awhile now and even they don't have any clue on koni or bilstein.

[fairladyz_gt-r]

So what's the recommendation? Wait? Go HFP, Tein, Buddy club etc?

[honda93]

Originally Posted by jb07si

So what are TEIN and buddy club and megan using in their setups? I have always been somewhat leary like the above poster says when the more generic manufacturers are so fast to market. I have been talking to the guys at ground control for awhile now and even they don't have any clue on koni or bilstein.

Originally Posted by fairladyz_gt-r

So what's the recommendation? Wait? Go HFP, Tein, Buddy club etc?

It isn't hard to make a strut... Here' a simplified recipe.

1. Get general dimensions of the OEM assembly, and match it up with an existing part.
2. Weld a spring perch on.
3. Weld knuckle bracket on.
4. Test unit, if necessary, change valving.
5. If happy, market product and sell.

Again, it is very simplified, BUT the holdup lies in the spring perch and knuckle bracket. Koni wants to ensure that their product (to remain the best large-volume manufacturer out there) passes curb impact tests. Plus, an aftermarket strut needs to work with an OEM style spring.

Someone developing a coilover (threaded) body strut will use existing spring perches as they usually work with 2.5" I.D. race springs from companies like Eibach or Hypercoil (Ground Control uses Eibach ERS, for example).

The only hold up then is the brackets. Simply making two metal plates with holes for the strut bolts and welding it to the strut body is not acceptable to companies like Koni, Bilstein, or even Tokico who warranty their product and fully intend their shocks/struts to be on a car in any and all conditions year round for many years to come.

On some level, the quality at the start also helps ensure each brands corporate lawyers stay happy because we all know someone will sue, even if they have no grounds to do so!!!

It is because of all this, coupled with what I do with my LX Coupe (National-level SCCA autocrossing) that will keep me waiting for a large, reputable brand to produce a high quality set of struts and shocks that I know will withstand whatever I throw at it...

For those of you just looking to "slam 'yo shizzle" can buy whatever you wish. Tein, for example, would love your money,and so would their *** little anime mascot.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

[Highrev1]

^^^LOL *** little Mascot. At this point koni should just do an insert for the stock shocks!! THere easy and they pass the curb tests.