need a little suspension help

ameuba10 · 04-16-2007, 12:51 PM

hey i just ordered the hfp kit as a whole and it includes the lowering springs. ive hear that is is an amazing differencefrom stock. im just a little confused about struts, sway bars, and that h bar. i mean what do each of them do and would any of you recommend these for a daily driver? and any brands you would recommend. i am a total noob at this, and ive never heard of an h bar til i saw it on a couple cars on here. thanks

poizun · 04-16-2007, 01:56 PM

Those other parts really tighten up the body of the car. They reduce body roll going around corners and whatnot. The suspension would drop your car, give you a stiffer ride, and lower the center of gravity a bit, and if you add those other parts on top of that, you'd have some solid handling! Theoretically at least.

That's my plan. I decided not to go performance (engine-wise) and just spend an extra 1k or so on suspension and parts that will let me take hairpins while sipping my steaming hot coffee.

***OMGWTFBBQIMDEREK*** · 04-16-2007, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ameuba10

hey i just ordered the hfp kit as a whole and it includes the lowering springs. ive hear that is is an amazing differencefrom stock. im just a little confused about struts, sway bars, and that h bar. i mean what do each of them do and would any of you recommend these for a daily driver? and any brands you would recommend. i am a total noob at this, and ive never heard of an h bar til i saw it on a couple cars on here. thanks

ok.. i'll try to help with my limited suspension knowledge.. struts are part of your hfp suspension setup.. your hfp kit comes with springs and shocks/struts.. sway bars.. i'd recommend you upgrade your front sway to a Si sway bar and your rear sway to a Progress Sway Bar (check out some of the vendors on this site.. ScarletSi on here aka Abe aka WinMotorSports has a few left for sale I believe).. sway bars do what they say they'll do.. lol.. they reduce body roll when cornering I believe.. reduced body roll keeps more of the surface area of your wheel on the ground.. which increases grip when turning.. and uh.. the h bar.. or underbrace pretty much stiffens up the chassis.. overall they all help you when cornering and helps keep your car planted on the floor.. but yeah.. thats pretty much it.. someone feel free to correct me if im wrong..

So here are your options..:
Suspension: HFP kit, Tein Coilovers (Basic, SS, Flex), Tein Springs (S.Techs, H.Techs), Skunk2 Springs/Coilovers, Megan Racing Springs/Coilovers, etc...
H Brace: Tanabe, Megan Racing
Sway Bar: Progress Rear, Si Front

Of course there are other options.. but yeah.. hope that helped..

ameuba10 · 04-16-2007, 02:01 PM

is there a specific order that is suggested?

ameuba10 · 04-16-2007, 02:05 PM

so there isnt much a difference but they all stiffen the car for cornering?

***OMGWTFBBQIMDEREK*** · 04-16-2007, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ameuba10

is there a specific order that is suggested?

Since you already have the HFP kit.. get that installed.. and then get a Progress Rear Sway.. PM "ScarletSi" on this forum.. he has good prices.. vendor for WinMotorSports. oh yeah.. while you're at it.. after u get the Progress Rear Sway.. get a Si front sway from the For Sale section of the forums.

RCURV · 04-16-2007, 02:06 PM

Keep in mind though that it is possible to make a car too stiff. If this happens the car (front wheel drive, ala a civic) will terminaly understeer and actually be slower around corners. Suspension tuning must be a carefull balancing act between too stiff/too low and too soft/too high. That being said, the Si chassis is very well set up (I have one :) so any si suspension componants should work fine. Sway bars are a great way to stiffen a car's feel without spending too much.

poizun · 04-16-2007, 02:08 PM

If I recall correctly, someone posted about how modifying the sways on a non-Si is a bad move. I mean, I don't think it's THAT detrimental, but he/she had some good logic behind the words...

Edit:
Here we go: http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/showt...eer#post591707

vicSi · 04-16-2007, 02:10 PM

on sway bars and h braces i dont think it matters what brand they are, they all do the same job, if you want to go for the names go for it but you'll be paying for it aswell.

***OMGWTFBBQIMDEREK*** · 04-16-2007, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by poizun

If I recall correctly, someone posted about how modifying the sways on a non-Si is a bad move. I mean, I don't think it's THAT detrimental, but he/she had some good logic behind the words...

really? I've seen EX's upgrade to a Si rear sway or even a Progress Rear Sway setup and I haven't heard of anything bad.. but thanks for the heads up.. I'm gonna go look into it now haha.. beats listenin to this sociology vid thats playin in class..

***OMGWTFBBQIMDEREK*** · 04-16-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vicSi

on sway bars and h braces i dont think it matters what brand they are, they all do the same job, if you want to go for the names go for it but you'll be paying for it aswell.

thats true.. so the megan racing underbrace and the tanabe underbrace pretty much work the same.. but i heard there was a company who made a double x-brace for the .. DC5 or EP3.. forgot which one.. but many have said the double x-brace works a LOT better than an underbrace.. I have yet to see for myself personally.. and am waiting for them to make one for the FG/FA's

poizun · 04-16-2007, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by OMGWTFBBQIMDEREK

really? I've seen EX's upgrade to a Si rear sway or even a Progress Rear Sway setup and I haven't heard of anything bad.. but thanks for the heads up.. I'm gonna go look into it now haha.. beats listenin to this sociology vid thats playin in class..

Man. I'm so slow at posting. Here's the link in case you don't feel like going back. Lol

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/showt...eer#post591707

07SiCivic · 04-16-2007, 02:26 PM

KSport!

***OMGWTFBBQIMDEREK*** · 04-16-2007, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by poizun

Man. I'm so slow at posting. Here's the link in case you don't feel like going back. Lol

http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/showt...eer#post591707

interesting.. too lazy to finish readin the entire thing.. but it had some useful info.. didnt know that the lsd thing was an issue when it came to suspension setups.. yeahh..

ameuba10 · 04-16-2007, 02:47 PM

i appreciate the help guys. i think ima test out the hfp suspension a while and maybe go for the si front and rear sway bars. does anyone with a non si have any experience with the si sway bars?

poizun · 04-16-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by ameuba10

i appreciate the help guys. i think ima test out the hfp suspension a while and maybe go for the si front and rear sway bars. does anyone with a non si have any experience with the si sway bars?

this *might* help

Si Front and Rear Sways on DX/LX/EX

04-16-2007, 12:51 PM	#1 (permalink)
ameuba10 Senior Member Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 919 Posts: 2,773 iTrader: 5 / 100%	need a little suspension help hey i just ordered the hfp kit as a whole and it includes the lowering springs. ive hear that is is an amazing differencefrom stock. im just a little confused about struts, sway bars, and that h bar. i mean what do each of them do and would any of you recommend these for a daily driver? and any brands you would recommend. i am a total noob at this, and ive never heard of an h bar til i saw it on a couple cars on here. thanks

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poizun Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Great Mills, Maryland Age: 24 Posts: 442 Dan iTrader: 0 / 0%	If I recall correctly, someone posted about how modifying the sways on a non-Si is a bad move. I mean, I don't think it's THAT detrimental, but he/she had some good logic behind the words... Edit: Here we go: http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/showt...eer#post591707 Last edited by poizun; 04-16-2007 at 02:15 PM.

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04-16-2007, 01:56 PM	#2 (permalink)
poizun Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Great Mills, Maryland Age: 24 Posts: 442 Dan iTrader: 0 / 0%	Those other parts really tighten up the body of the car. They reduce body roll going around corners and whatnot. The suspension would drop your car, give you a stiffer ride, and lower the center of gravity a bit, and if you add those other parts on top of that, you'd have some solid handling! Theoretically at least. That's my plan. I decided not to go performance (engine-wise) and just spend an extra 1k or so on suspension and parts that will let me take hairpins while sipping my steaming hot coffee.

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ameuba10 Senior Member Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 919 Posts: 2,773 iTrader: 5 / 100%	is there a specific order that is suggested?

04-16-2007, 02:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
ameuba10 Senior Member Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 919 Posts: 2,773 iTrader: 5 / 100%	so there isnt much a difference but they all stiffen the car for cornering?

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RCURV Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: RI Age: 25 Posts: 16 Megan iTrader: 0 / 0%	Keep in mind though that it is possible to make a car too stiff. If this happens the car (front wheel drive, ala a civic) will terminaly understeer and actually be slower around corners. Suspension tuning must be a carefull balancing act between too stiff/too low and too soft/too high. That being said, the Si chassis is very well set up (I have one :) so any si suspension componants should work fine. Sway bars are a great way to stiffen a car's feel without spending too much.

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vicSi Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Santa Ana,Cali. Posts: 516 victor iTrader: 0 / 0%	on sway bars and h braces i dont think it matters what brand they are, they all do the same job, if you want to go for the names go for it but you'll be paying for it aswell.

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07SiCivic Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Cerritos Age: 19 Posts: 172 Daniel iTrader: 0 / 0%	KSport!

04-16-2007, 02:47 PM	#15 (permalink)
ameuba10 Senior Member Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: 919 Posts: 2,773 iTrader: 5 / 100%	i appreciate the help guys. i think ima test out the hfp suspension a while and maybe go for the si front and rear sway bars. does anyone with a non si have any experience with the si sway bars?