Anyone has the Buddy Club Coilovers

[Highrev1]

Originally Posted by CorSport

Thats not a defect, that is what "sleeve over" style "coilovers" do. A full real coilover is ALWAYS a better choice then sleeves (unless your are road racing on the cheap).

Tai

Tai...What is a "full real coilover" in your opinion?

One that is "pre-built" and pre-assembled by one company...So basically you hoping that that one company tested and did their homework and gotten the Right Valving and Spring rates.... and you have to figure in what they wanted that coilover application was for, probably the average driver...So you will never be able to tune them to what you want exactly or how you drive personally...

So can seperate springs, shocks, thereaded collars be as fast or comfortable as a "pre-built" setup?

The question should be "can an OTS "coilover" ever reach the performance of a Properly selected Spring + damper setup?"... Probably not but they'll come close, and they are a whole lot more convienaint....Just like a home stero, sure the mini system is nice and its good, but seperate components are always gonna win...But witht he mini system you don't have to think about it all, like a suspension, who cars what spring rates or shock valving you have...Its a complete package setup for EVERYONE!! Its really about how much time you want to spend on your suspension and most just want to slap it on and go...Thats fine, for those that care, spend the time and do it RIGHT...

[Sirbelch]

After owning tein ss and tein flex I am done with OTS coilovers. OTS coilovers are designed for a wide range of people. I have found out that I am not that wide range. None of the OTS coilovers have spring rates that promote oversteer which is what a fwd care needs to handle well. Sure the limits are high with flexes but they still push at those limits. The only way you could get Flexes to rotate is to get custom spring rates which negates the OTS status that Flexes have and take you to the level of custom suspensions which is where the racers live.

[CorSport]

I have both, my race car is sleeves on struts, my street car is full skunk2 coils with perches and helper springs so they dont have "space".

I was merely pointing out that sleeves pop like you mentioned and its not a "defect".

Tai

[Sirbelch]

^^^ Do you run a helper spring on an FG/FA?

[CorSport]

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

^^^ Do you run a helper spring on an FG/FA?

No. I have an ep3 with helpers on a set of skunk2 pro-s coilovers ...

[Sirbelch]

Did the suspension come with them or did you put them on? How come no helper spring in the rear? (or am I just blind :-)

[CorSport]

^Just the front, the rear design doesnt have gap... and yes they were included.

Tai

[Profoxcg]

with the ground control sleves... do they by any chance pop out (springs) while racing / driving / pot holes ects?

Also, do i need to modify my stock shocks? and when i get koni yellows do I need to reuse any part of my stock suspension.. I remember I had to do this on my EM2 .. which is why I went with buddy clubs on the ep3 and evo i had

[NcSi]

i think they're saying when the uppercontol arm and shock are unbolted

[Highrev1]

No it happens when the car is under full droop situations such as being on a lift, or when you jump it over some railroad track There is a potential for the springs to fall out....

[friedk]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

No it happens when the car is under full droop situations such as being on a lift, or when you jump it over some railroad track There is a potential for the springs to fall out....

That's right guys..no dukes of hazard style jumps with ground controls.

[Highrev1]

Means they won't work for me

[Profoxcg]

Originally Posted by friedk

That's right guys..no dukes of hazard style jumps with ground controls.

well you dont have to jump, all you have to do while turning in go in tripod mode for the wheel to droop some... and if the spring fall, you are out of luck...

I have not taken at look at my suspension yet (just got the car) but in the rear, how can a prebuilt coil over prevent the spring from falling? I am under the impression that the spring just sits there correct? with any system wit full droop (on a light or jack) (flat tire replacement on the side of the road) wouldn the springs just be loose and pop out?

[Sirbelch]

Originally Posted by Profoxcg

well you dont have to jump, all you have to do while turning in go in tripod mode for the wheel to droop some... and if the spring fall, you are out of luck...

I have not taken at look at my suspension yet (just got the car) but in the rear, how can a prebuilt coil over prevent the spring from falling? I am under the impression that the spring just sits there correct? with any system wit full droop (on a light or jack) (flat tire replacement on the side of the road) wouldn the springs just be loose and pop out?

Ground Control just made the springs to short. Tein doesn't have that problem and I haven't heard about it for any one else. It just so happens that the "pre-built" coilovers have longer springs than Ground Control.

Hitting the 3 wheel motion would suck.