KONI FSD SHOCKS!!! - Page 2

Kakashi · 02-14-2007, 02:04 PM

Boh Juuuly!

AznMTboy · 02-14-2007, 03:42 PM

I wonder what a good spring for the this Koni FSD

torch02si · 02-14-2007, 04:45 PM

I think cadillac had something similar to these. It was a gel that got thick when an electric charge was applied to it. If there was a gentle input (going around a corner) the charge would be introduced and the gel would harden and make it stiff...if it was a sharp input like a pothole, the charge was never introduced, so the gel stayed more liquid and allowed for a softer response.

Koni might not apply THAT particular technology to this piece, but the results should be similar

**marc-o-lishuz** · 02-14-2007, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by torch02si

I think cadillac had something similar to these. It was a gel that got thick when an electric charge was applied to it. If there was a gentle input (going around a corner) the charge would be introduced and the gel would harden and make it stiff...if it was a sharp input like a pothole, the charge was never introduced, so the gel stayed more liquid and allowed for a softer response.

Koni might not apply THAT particular technology to this piece, but the results should be similar

Actually, it's a metallic gel (iron filings) that is included in the shock fluid. When an electric current is run through it (electromagnet), it will cause the metals in the fluid to line up a certain way, changing the damping characteristics of the shock absorber.

wannapar3 · 02-14-2007, 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marc-o-lishuz

Actually, it's a metallic gel (iron filings) that is included in the shock fluid. When an electric current is run through it (electromagnet), it will cause the metals in the fluid to line up a certain way, changing the damping characteristics of the shock absorber.

Pretty close... Acura has it on the new MDX. Its a fluid with Iron particles in it and when a magnetic charge is added it changes the viscosity making the fluid thicker. This system works well and you can really feel the difference.
Smooth ride for street and stiffens right up for sport.

honda93 · 02-14-2007, 10:20 PM

Except that the FSD does so without the magentized particles like the GM (Delphi?) Magnaride units. This is all done through valving only...

http://www.koni-na.com/fsd/index2.html

Funny thing is, my Koni contact said to me that the FSD is usually only developed for cars with a ride quality/harshness issue (MINI, Mazda3/Volvo S40) and that in R&D testing the new FG chassis didn't have such issues. It's interesting that such an application was created then. I will get them before the Sports becasue I autocross on a variety sites with varying degrees of pavement quality and the fact that the FSD will "compensate" for any of them on the fly appeals to me.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

Type_R_Nammer · 02-15-2007, 02:55 AM

I'm guessing these are going to be more expensive than the usual koni's ?

**sickyute** · 02-15-2007, 02:57 AM

pay to play ...

dtexan · 02-15-2007, 03:13 AM

they have them on ebay for other cars around $600 not bad

honda93 · 02-15-2007, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Type_R_Nammer

I'm guessing these are going to be more expensive than the usual koni's ?

A little cheaper than an off-the-shelf Sport (Yellow).

If you look at that website, you'll see they aren't all that complicated. Think of it as a better-designed (re: MORE EFFECTIVE) Monroe "Sensa-Track".

If the MINI autocross community has embraced them, so will I.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

Si_Jeff · 03-09-2007, 01:26 PM

yes, finally a strut, so from what i understand reading through this thread, koni will make a strut assembly and not just the shocks like the rsx that you have to insert them to the whole struts right?

hoanger · 03-09-2007, 01:28 PM

I want koni yellows

honda93 · 03-10-2007, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Si_Jeff

yes, finally a strut, so from what i understand reading through this thread, koni will make a strut assembly and not just the shocks like the rsx that you have to insert them to the whole struts right?

Correct. Hence the massive delays getting a product to market... If the decision was made from the beginning to use inserts, something would have been available by the start of 2006, not the latter half of 2007 (if the product debuts by then).

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

Si_Jeff · 03-11-2007, 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honda93

Correct. Hence the massive delays getting a product to market... If the decision was made from the beginning to use inserts, something would have been available by the start of 2006, not the latter half of 2007 (if the product debuts by then).

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

ahhh, yes, finally a strut assembly, now, when they come out all we gotta do is find the right set of springs.. thanks for the input.

civic_coupe · 06-14-2007, 02:03 AM

any updates on these koni yellows? the anticipation is killing me :)

K20Redline · 06-15-2007, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civic_coupe

any updates on these koni yellows? the anticipation is killing me :)

+1

***m1k3*** · 06-17-2007, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K20Redline

+1

kenchan · 06-17-2007, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by honda93

Except that the FSD does so without the magentized particles like the GM (Delphi?) Magnaride units. This is all done through valving only...

http://www.koni-na.com/fsd/index2.html

Funny thing is, my Koni contact said to me that the FSD is usually only developed for cars with a ride quality/harshness issue (MINI, Mazda3/Volvo S40) and that in R&D testing the new FG chassis didn't have such issues. It's interesting that such an application was created then. I will get them before the Sports becasue I autocross on a variety sites with varying degrees of pavement quality and the fact that the FSD will "compensate" for any of them on the fly appeals to me.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

yah, coincidentally, im planning to order some FSD's for my cooper-s
pretty soon. not so much harshness on my ride, but my stockers are
starting to soften up.

honda93 · 06-17-2007, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civic_coupe

any updates on these koni yellows? the anticipation is killing me :)

Guess you guys missed this...

So when are companies coming out with Aftermarket Shocks????

I started you off on page 3 because that's where the latest source of info from Koni to me is from. Read the posts on pages 3 and 4... That should answer any of your questions.

Anthony "Mario" Crea
NNJR-SCCA

kenchan · 06-18-2007, 02:54 PM

im beginning to see MINI threads where people used FSD's on
lowering springs only to find them blow out in less than one year.

i think im going to opt for the yellows for now since im running
lowering springs (H-Sports) already...

there are other platforms that FSD's support with lowering springs
so make sure you get the correct rates and height.

dang it, when is tokico going to release D-Specs for our cars?!!

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torch02si Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 321 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I think cadillac had something similar to these. It was a gel that got thick when an electric charge was applied to it. If there was a gentle input (going around a corner) the charge would be introduced and the gel would harden and make it stiff...if it was a sharp input like a pothole, the charge was never introduced, so the gel stayed more liquid and allowed for a softer response. Koni might not apply THAT particular technology to this piece, but the results should be similar

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honda93 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Property Tax Hell... NJ Age: 34 Posts: 1,003 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Except that the FSD does so without the magentized particles like the GM (Delphi?) Magnaride units. This is all done through valving only... http://www.koni-na.com/fsd/index2.html Funny thing is, my Koni contact said to me that the FSD is usually only developed for cars with a ride quality/harshness issue (MINI, Mazda3/Volvo S40) and that in R&D testing the new FG chassis didn't have such issues. It's interesting that such an application was created then. I will get them before the Sports becasue I autocross on a variety sites with varying degrees of pavement quality and the fact that the FSD will "compensate" for any of them on the fly appeals to me. Anthony "Mario" Crea NNJR-SCCA

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Type_R_Nammer Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,224 Jason iTrader: 1 / 100%	I'm guessing these are going to be more expensive than the usual koni's ?

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dtexan Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 634 iTrader: 1 / 100%	they have them on ebay for other cars around $600 not bad

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Si_Jeff Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NY Posts: 595 iTrader: 2 / 100%	yes, finally a strut, so from what i understand reading through this thread, koni will make a strut assembly and not just the shocks like the rsx that you have to insert them to the whole struts right?

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kenchan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Midwest Posts: 2,519 iTrader: 1 / 100%	im beginning to see MINI threads where people used FSD's on lowering springs only to find them blow out in less than one year. i think im going to opt for the yellows for now since im running lowering springs (H-Sports) already... there are other platforms that FSD's support with lowering springs so make sure you get the correct rates and height. dang it, when is tokico going to release D-Specs for our cars?!!