big brake kit.

[Highrev1]

4 is fine

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

4 is fine

thanks.

[cappykd]

I'm with you Marvie. I'm liking the TL kit right now. It uses Honda installed original parts.
The willwood kits use some crazy expensive brakepads, so do the Brambo Gran Turismo.

[sickyute]

so does the TL have 4 or 6 piston calipers?
do the calipers say brembo or acura?
i don't want it to say acura....that's just wack

[blaznhot_23]

Originally Posted by sickyute

so does the TL have 4 or 6 piston calipers?
do the calipers say brembo or acura?
i don't want it to say acura....that's just wack

they are 4 piston...I cannot confirm 100% as to what they say on the caliper. I was @ the LA auto show and sat in a type s. i believe they say brembo on the calipers...almost 95% sure of that and they were in a bronze/gold color...

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by blaznhot_23

they are 4 piston...I cannot confirm 100% as to what they say on the caliper. I was @ the LA auto show and sat in a type s. i believe they say brembo on the calipers...almost 95% sure of that and they were in a bronze/gold color...

just looked at the pics on the acura site.
1. calipers were black
2. calipers said acura
3. rotors were plain
4. they are 4 piston

i'm not sure if that's how it actually is ... but that's what it shows.

i'll take a drive to the dealer tomorrow.

[blaznhot_23]

i tought that wilwood kit includes rotors from wilwood?

[sickyute]

i think i need to call fastbrakes about it too.

[06Fg2]

Call them now!!!

[aki]

You risk worsening brake performance by getting brake kits intended for other cars, especially a TL.

The reason being that each car has a specific brake bias that's different from other models. Differing weight and weight distribution means one brake kit on one car isn't ideal for another. Sure, TL brakes make give a better bite, and fade less due to increased surface area--but if the brake bias is screwed, you're not using making the most out of the brakes.

In short, don't get brake kits for other cars because they simply weren't designed for the Si. Which is why it takes time for companies like Stoptech to release new BBKs--they need to be specifically optimized for our cars.

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by aki

You risk worsening brake performance by getting brake kits intended for other cars, especially a TL.

The reason being that each car has a specific brake bias that's different from other models. Differing weight and weight distribution means one brake kit on one car isn't ideal for another. Sure, TL brakes make give a better bite, and fade less due to increased surface area--but if the brake bias is screwed, you're not using making the most out of the brakes.

In short, don't get brake kits for other cars because they simply weren't designed for the Si. Which is why it takes time for companies like Stoptech to release new BBKs--they need to be specifically optimized for our cars.

figured that much...
although i was skeptical to believe that i'd lose power on a BBK designed for the car...i u didn't say it here ... but i remember reading it elsewhere ....

they said a front BBK will make u lose braking power because is screws up brake bias and that the back needs to be upgraded too ...

i found that to be total crap as time after time BBKs are fitted on to cars like our (rsx etc) and braking is vastly improved!!! this is why i'm going ahead and getting a BBK ...

but i do agree that BBKs designed for other cars may hurt braking.

[aki]

i found that to be total crap as time after time BBKs are fitted on to cars like our (rsx etc) and braking is vastly improved!!! this is why i'm going ahead and getting a BBK ...

And how do you know this? Like I said, with front BBK you will feel like your brakes are better. A front-only BBK *does give a bigger bite* than stock rotors. All that is doing, however, is your front brakes are reaching the brake torque limit faster than your rear. The limiting factor in brake performance is not the calipers, brake pads or rotors, but the friction limit on the tires. Stronger front brakes by itself would mean the front brakes would lock quicker.

This is especially problematic with our ABS system. ABS detects that the front tires are braking faster than expected, and actually slows down your braking to compensate. It then recalculates, detects again you're braking too fast, and slows down again. As the ABS compensates for the increased torque, it eases off the brakes, extending your braking distance.

Here's a good article on brake bias. Getting front BBK will make your car "feel" improved, but actually makes things worse. Brake performance isn't as simple as slapping giant rotors on your car.

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...formance.shtml

Edit: and here's one on ABS:

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...rakekits.shtml

[OneSi]

hey man its been awhile how are you? I am looking at a big brake kit too and last time for the crx i did a 12.2 wilwood kit and a custom 11in in the rear on it and it will make ferrari look like dirt in a stopping competition. The guy there is really cool. he is hooking me up with a good deal at fastbrakes.com..

tell him you want the same kit he offered me. he may not give you the price but its still alot cheaper then brembos' i think it will be like 1100-1500. and you dont need the 13in kit either. He said he can put a kit together for me using the SUPERLITE wilwood calipers which are bigger like the spoon ones you see around here on integra's and EG's. but he uses the 12.2 wilwood rotors and he said that should make a great statement. So im just saving money as of now. Let me find his email. It is Just email him and tell him you talked to Dwight with the Comptech Si and u were curious about the superlite kit that he can do and ask for a price.


here is what he wrote. (minus the price)

Fastbrakes
You really don't need to go much bigger than the 12.2" kit with the 4 pot
>calipers to get better braking on the front. The Superlite caliper kit will
>have the larger calipers to make a better statement than the smaller
>Dynalites that come in the kit made by Wilwood. Plus they will have the
>larger pads to work better on the larger rotors.
>

Dwight
Ok so im confused. Are u saying i can buy the 2 front superlite calipers, 2
sets of pads and be done with it or are u saying the 12.2 kit but use a
superlite caliper instead of the dynalite? I guess i really dont need to
mess with the rear brakes since they dont do alot of the stiopping anyway
correct? Also are these availible in red calipers? im trying to decide what
would look good. red would be sick since it stands out with my black car but

then again black goes along witht he stealth look. ohwell doesnt matter. so
what are we looking at here?


Fastbrakes
The Superlites are a bigger caliper, they don't weigh much more than the
Dynalite but look a lot better and will provide better wear due to the
larger pads. They do come in red, add $80. The rears actually do some work
so a larger rear might help balance out the larger fronts. Your rear are the
same as the RSX so I think I have a kit that will work I just need to test
fit it to make sure...

[blaznhot_23]

if brake bias is such a concern...then why does honda have a vented rotor that is larger in the front as compared to a non-vented rotor that is smaller in the rear??? I have used Baer and SSBC BBKs on previous vehicles primarily sport trucks and suvs. Both have been equipped with a 6 piston racing style caliper in the front and in the rear a 2 piston caliper. both front and rear had drilled/slotted rotors on them and of course the front were larger. Each vehicle topped in close to 7000 lbs almost double that of a civic. just looking at the numbers one would think that brake bias is inevitable...but alas it was not. both had non-adjustable propotioning valves/ master clinders. and both were equipped w/ 4 wheel ABS. along w/ aftermarket wheels /tires. i never had a problem w/ brake bias on either vehicle due to larger front brake set ups or front biased braking. there were a few times in each vehicle in which upgrading to a BBK paid off. save my ass from rear ending a couple of f'n sh*&y so cal drivers. if anything the front will always work harder than the rears no matter what. when brakes are appplied weight is transferred unequally front and rear. it only makes sense to have a solid front brake set up along w/ a suitable rar deal in my opinion...

[sickyute]

Originally Posted by aki

And how do you know this? Like I said, with front BBK you will feel like your brakes are better. A front-only BBK *does give a bigger bite* than stock rotors. All that is doing, however, is your front brakes are reaching the brake torque limit faster than your rear. The limiting factor in brake performance is not the calipers, brake pads or rotors, but the friction limit on the tires. Stronger front brakes by itself would mean the front brakes would lock quicker.

This is especially problematic with our ABS system. ABS detects that the front tires are braking faster than expected, and actually slows down your braking to compensate. It then recalculates, detects again you're braking too fast, and slows down again.

Here's a good article on brake bias. Getting front BBK will make your car "feel" improved, but actually makes things worse. Brake performance isn't as simple as slapping giant rotors on your car.

http://www.stoptech.com/tech_info/wp...formance.shtml

got this info. from the countless automobile performance tests i see year after year...
especially last years mag. rsx competition ... the braking test results were compared to stock ... the rsx fitted with the stoptech BBK won and braking was vastly improved from stock ... all the others had better braking than stock if i recall correctly but i'm not too sure ... this was last year's rsx challenge...

it's pretty much the same other than that...
i can't fathom that a BBK will give u worst braking than stock..
but i know what u know, and i need to do some more research so u have the benifit of the doubt ... but i'm still going to get one

i repped u for ur contribution ... thanks.

[aki]

Originally Posted by sickyute

the braking test results were compared to stock ... the rsx fitted with the stoptech BBK won and braking was vastly improved from stock ... all the others had better braking than stock if i recall correctly but i'm not too sure ... this was last year's rsx challenge...

My apologies, I meant a *front-only* BBK was a bad idea--sorry if that wasn't clear enough. BBKs can be great upgrades, esp. if you drive hard enough where your brakes are fading as you said. All I'm sayin is it's best to get them as complete sets, for the right application and not mix-match. RSX BBKs might work on our cars since the brakes are so similar, but not sure. I'd love to have a BBK upgrade myself, but waiting to see if Honda releases that HFP.

Rep back atcha :-)

if brake bias is such a concern...then why does honda have a vented rotor that is larger in the front as compared to a non-vented rotor that is smaller in the rear???

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying brake bias is bad, I'm saying changing the stock brake bias to make the front even stronger is bad. Cars always come with larger rotors in front since more weight gets shifted to the front. However if you put bigger rotors up front and don't change the rear, you're making the brake bias *more* front-heavy, and your rear brakes aren't being worked to their full potential.

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by sickyute

got this info. from the countless automobile performance tests i see year after year...
especially last years mag. rsx competition ... the braking test results were compared to stock ... the rsx fitted with the stoptech BBK won and braking was vastly improved from stock ... all the others had better braking than stock if i recall correctly but i'm not too sure ... this was last year's rsx challenge...

it's pretty much the same other than that...
i can't fathom that a BBK will give u worst braking than stock..
but i know what u know, and i need to do some more research so u have the benifit of the doubt ... but i'm still going to get one

i repped u for ur contribution ... thanks.

I just want to point out real quick that the braking systems on many modified cars are actually the weakest points, even WITH aftermarket kits. MANY modified cars can actually take longer to stop than with the stock system. Obviously, this is not the case with all cars, but I would think it has a lot to do with the increased rotational mass, but that's just a guess. This information actually came from Sport Compact Magazine's "The Truth About Mods" issue, where they talked to aftermarket brake manufacturers.

[sickyute]

taking in all info....

either way.... my stock brakes are not cutting it and they aren't even stock.
i have motul rbf600 in my brake lines, SS brake lines, hawk HPS pads, and need i say stoptech slotted oem sized rotors(not good for much but looks) ... but with this much power ... it's hard to stop ...

hundred to stop is a task ..... and is worst than stock without a doubt under this much power ... i had upgraded the pads and lines hoping to curb this a bit but it's clearly not enough.

i can either upgrade to hawk hp plus or just get overally more braking power...

i'm thinking hp plus will not make that much of a difference... my tires are as sticky as high performance street tires come and my rims are light so that's covered ...

front BBK will increase rotational mass but i'm thinking it has enough clamping force to counter this also along with the weight i lost with my rims and sticky tires....

the brake bias thing ... how does it actually work?
stock.... i'm thinking what if i'm stopping slowly... there's isn't a need to put rear braking force so why would the rear be used anyway? isn't there some way where the car figures that the speed is enuff for the front to handle alone?
again stock.... i'm going fast now and stopping ... now help is needed to stop so the rear gets used? so now i'm using all 4.

modified/bbk ... stop slowly ... same as first scenario...
modified/bbk .... going fast ... but now i have a front BBK ... is there some way that the clamping force is noticed by the ebd or whatever and sees that the front is working better so it sends less force to the back anyway so that brake distribution is not as severe as the second scenario above? braking doesn't suffer cuz the front is better anyway so the back isn't needed as much but still get's used anyway?

don't know if this makes any sense... but i hope yall understand what i'm trying to get at here...

probably happen that the front brakes wear out faster than the rear but so what?

on my v6 accord with ebd ... the rear brakes always wore out first!! what gives?

[cappykd]

I read a bit about the brake bias issues before. However what EXACTLY does the EBD do? From what I can tell it will compensate to some degree? I personally will not put a front only BBK on, as the risk of decreased braking is too great.

[blaznhot_23]

hopefully the new sponsor on the site will have a answer for the rears soon...