brake - heads up.

**sickyute** · 11-16-2006, 01:57 AM

1. check ur master cylinder
2. look for where the lines are coming off the master cylinder.
3. trace them .... what do u notice? ...

they are routed to the back of the exhaust manifold(stock header)/race header/turbo manifold on their way to the ABS pump. This is not good.

Why?
because they are subjected to heat from the exhaust manifold. That heat is not good as it heats up the lines thus heating up the brake fluid. The brake fluid will then expand thus reducing your braking power = brake fade.

i've heard countless owners complain about it...just so happens my dealer knew about it too as well as another dealer.

it's not soo bad where it's dangerous but for the guy who pushes his car a lot and knows about this stuff and brake feel it will be a big deal...obviously the harder u drive the more heat you produce, the quicker u'll experience fade.

you can
1. change ur brake fluid to one that can handle higher temps. etc...my choice was motul rbf 600
2. heat wrap your lines
3. reroute the lines some how
4. just deal with it as it's not a big deal.

hard braking will cause brake fade too...but that's cuz ur pads are weaker and ur rotors are small, so on and so forth...that's known...i was just pointing out this slight issue.

it can be a combination of both...

makes me wonder if that's the reason Car and Driver experienced brake fade quickly in their test...and so did SCC in their review and another Mag. also said they lost breaking quickly and it felt mushy...

anyway...just pointing this out to u guys...

fa1 · 11-16-2006, 02:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sickyute

you can
1. change ur brake fluid to one that can handle higher temps. etc...my choice was motul rbf 600
2. heat wrap your lines
3. reroute the lines some how
4. just deal with it as it's not a big deal.
5. Do all of the above

Thanks for the tip

Would give ya rep but I gota spread rep to someone else first.

Ben10 · 11-16-2006, 01:14 PM

we have just finished something for this. should be releasing some information shortly on it. stay tuned

SIcBoy · 11-16-2006, 01:27 PM

the ebrake is so week. i cant even park on a incline with out putting it in gear as well

**Cookstar** · 11-16-2006, 05:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIcBoy

the ebrake is so week. i cant even park on a incline with out putting it in gear as well

Um...I think you're always supposed to put it in gear anyway.

SIcBoy · 11-16-2006, 05:23 PM

dang it i know im just sayin its week... last weak

cappykd · 11-16-2006, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben10

we have just finished something for this. should be releasing some information shortly on it. stay tuned

Sweet let us know.....

skiz · 11-17-2006, 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben10

we have just finished something for this. should be releasing some information shortly on it. stay tuned

excellent!!!

Subscribed

VdoManZ · 11-17-2006, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SIcBoy

the ebrake is so week. i cant even park on a incline with out putting it in gear as well

in my old neon the ebrake was awesome its all i used.... the first time i parked in my driveway i pulled the ebrake...went inside got something to drink came back outside and my car was in the street..... scared the crap out of me... now its ebrake and gear all the time

CivicWithNav · 11-17-2006, 07:33 PM

nice find...

i don't do enough hard brakings to justify the fix but sooner or later, down the road i'm probbaly gonna get nicer pads and steel lines to get the spongy feeling away

lowerlevel · 11-19-2006, 01:50 AM

so would this happen on the ex/lx also.. ex. ur driving around town all day, say 150 miles.. im thinking of switching over to fuly syn blend for the brakes.

bizzybearfigiblue · 11-19-2006, 01:55 AM

Marvie, that's probably y ur brakes didn't feel all that well when i drove ur car....

dREsTrUcTiON · 11-19-2006, 12:19 PM

Nice find Sickyute!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ben10

we have just finished something for this. should be releasing some information shortly on it. stay tuned

Need I even say that AJP is pulling ahead once again?

si_civic · 11-19-2006, 03:20 PM

Thanks sick youth, cough yute.

+rep for ya!

Ben10 · 11-19-2006, 06:11 PM

the ex/lx will not be affected as the exhaust is in the front and the SI is in the rear thus the heat...

Ron just Finished his testing on them and they will be ready to go. Pricing will be released towards the end of the week. nn thnaks for all the support on our R&D

reaper702 · 11-23-2006, 01:23 AM

nice find, and definately appreciate the info. i will be upgrading to a bigger brake kit not too long from now anyways.

***CaliGuy*** · 11-23-2006, 01:35 AM

Subscribed...

**sickyute** · 11-23-2006, 01:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by reaper702

nice find, and definately appreciate the info. i will be upgrading to a bigger brake kit not too long from now anyways.

Edit: just saw ur rep comment...disregard the latter...good choice...thanks for the rep.

the bigger brake kit will help somewhat...
but u'll still be having heated fluid in ur lines...
u may want to upgrade ur fluid at the very least to go along with your BBK

civicsi1217 · 11-23-2006, 02:36 AM

AJP guys... just wait... they're workin on something for sure...

Ben10 · 11-23-2006, 03:37 PM

Actually we have something ready for the guys that are experiencing/need an upgrade.

pm F.I.A.T. we just finished this project and are finalizing it for release... and here is a link How Many Experience Brake Fade....????????

11-16-2006, 01:57 AM	#1 (permalink)
sickyute Moderator Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pembroke Pines, Fl Age: 28 Posts: 9,471 Marvie iTrader: 12 / 100%	brake - heads up. 1. check ur master cylinder 2. look for where the lines are coming off the master cylinder. 3. trace them .... what do u notice? ... they are routed to the back of the exhaust manifold(stock header)/race header/turbo manifold on their way to the ABS pump. This is not good. Why? because they are subjected to heat from the exhaust manifold. That heat is not good as it heats up the lines thus heating up the brake fluid. The brake fluid will then expand thus reducing your braking power = brake fade. i've heard countless owners complain about it...just so happens my dealer knew about it too as well as another dealer. it's not soo bad where it's dangerous but for the guy who pushes his car a lot and knows about this stuff and brake feel it will be a big deal...obviously the harder u drive the more heat you produce, the quicker u'll experience fade. you can 1. change ur brake fluid to one that can handle higher temps. etc...my choice was motul rbf 600 2. heat wrap your lines 3. reroute the lines some how 4. just deal with it as it's not a big deal. hard braking will cause brake fade too...but that's cuz ur pads are weaker and ur rotors are small, so on and so forth...that's known...i was just pointing out this slight issue. it can be a combination of both... makes me wonder if that's the reason Car and Driver experienced brake fade quickly in their test...and so did SCC in their review and another Mag. also said they lost breaking quickly and it felt mushy... anyway...just pointing this out to u guys... __________________ Shift when it blinks! http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2640940 FA5 http://www.cardomain.com/ride/2216565 FG2

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