Track Day, brakes were great.

gtracer · 06-24-2009, 09:56 PM

Hey guys, I thought I could let you know on my track day.

I bought some Hawk HT-10 for the front and Hawk Blue for the back along with Goodridge SS lines.

Well, I was very happy, the brakes were very consistent no brake fade and I ran all day. ABS was less obstructive with the SS lines than with the Stock ones.

I still had a great amount of pads left after the day, until they flew out of my trunk when I got into an accident.

Mods:
Stock Tires (maybe why I didn't get to experience any brake fade)
Stock Rotors
Stock Suspension
ATE Super Blue
Goodridge SS Line
Hawk HT-10
Hawk Blue

Edit: Sessions were 30 mins.

Don't be shy to ask questions or to give your thoughts.

***obert*** · 06-24-2009, 10:07 PM

Accident===FTL

gtracer · 06-24-2009, 11:19 PM

^ Yeah Seriously!

THURA FTW! · 06-24-2009, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtracer

Hey guys, I thought I could let you know on my track day.

I bought some Hawk HT-10 for the front and Hawk Blue for the back along with Goodridge SS lines.

Well, I was very happy, the brakes were very consistent no brake fade and I ran all day. ABS was less obstructive with the SS lines than with the Stock ones.

I still had a great amount of pads left after the day, until they flew out of my trunk when I got into an accident.

Mods:
Stock Tires (maybe why I didn't get to experience any brake fade)
Stock Rotors
Stock Suspension
ATE Super Blue
Goodridge SS Line
Hawk HT-10
Hawk Blue

Edit: Sessions were 30 mins.

Don't be shy to ask questions or to give your thoughts.

Sorry about your accident bro, upgrade your tires, you'll be amazed at how much difference it will be. A larger contact patch with better quality rubber, your braking will definitely be improved. Where are you located?

GreyK20 · 06-25-2009, 12:40 AM

accident got pics man glad ur okay,what track did you do?

gtracer · 06-25-2009, 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by THURA FTW!

Sorry about your accident bro, upgrade your tires, you'll be amazed at how much difference it will be. A larger contact patch with better quality rubber, your braking will definitely be improved. Where are you located?

I know tires will make a crazy difference. I have them, I just wanted to try everything on there own first. I have Pirelli Pzero Corsa's if you wanted to know.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreyK20

accident got pics man glad ur okay,what track did you do?

Le Circuit Mont-Tremblant

***Sirbelch*** · 06-25-2009, 08:25 PM

Its your stock tires that kept your brakes from fading. They don't fair well with sticky tires.

THURA FTW! · 06-26-2009, 01:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtracer

I know tires will make a crazy difference. I have them, I just wanted to try everything on there own first. I have Pirelli Pzero Corsa's if you wanted to know.

Le Circuit Mont-Tremblant

Dammnn, baller Italian rubber you got there!

***Sirbelch*** · 06-26-2009, 02:09 AM

Actually, wider tires don't increase the size of the contact patch, they change the shape of the contact patch and the shape of the patch changes less in dynamic situations. Thats where the increased grip comes from. Size of the contact patch is mostly determined by vehicle weight and distribution of that weight. Strange I know, but thats what actually happens.

THURA FTW! · 06-26-2009, 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sirbelch

Actually, wider tires don't increase the size of the contact patch, they change the shape of the contact patch and the shape of the patch changes less in dynamic situations. Thats where the increased grip comes from. Size of the contact patch is mostly determined by vehicle weight and distribution of that weight. Strange I know, but thats what actually happens.

I kinda understand, it's hard to imagine visually, but theoretically it's viable.

***Sirbelch*** · 06-26-2009, 02:31 AM

What you are doing is increasing the width of the contact patch, but decreasing the length. So you have moved the patch to an area that it can resist the lateral forces better. I can see it in my head, just having trouble really explaining it.

THURA FTW! · 06-26-2009, 02:44 AM

Oh now I can see it, I guess that's what I meant by increasing the contact patch lol. Increasing the width so when cornering, more of it will be used, correct?

***Sirbelch*** · 06-26-2009, 02:48 AM

Thats right.

THURA FTW! · 06-26-2009, 02:50 AM

***Sirbelch*** · 06-26-2009, 02:56 AM

FALer · 06-27-2009, 09:24 PM

Tire Tech Information - Contact Patch

x_fg2_x · 06-29-2009, 03:53 PM

Good stuff man. Your settup was very similar to my 1st track day. Stainless lines, same ATE Super blue fluid. Stock suspension. I had better tires tho.

But actually, I went to the track this past thursday with the Skunk 2 Pro C's and also I had Nitto NT01 R compound tires. I was using the same lines and fluid. But I was running porterfield R4 track pads in the front.. And I tell you. R compound Tires, track pads, and a good suspension makes a hell of a difference. I actually truely believe I had TOO much grip then the car could handle lol. But with that said. I think the brakes need some work. I didnt P***y brake at all. I slamed on them and trail braked where I could. And I tell you, the pads were still overheating. It was a fairly hot 96 degree day. God knows what the track temp was... but I think its time to upgrade the rotors.

As you mentioned, the ABS didnt give me too much trouble. Despite the fact that I had R4 track pads in the front, and R4s street pads in the rear.

So with my settup, the only 2 complaints I have were the brakes over heating, and I was getting some nasty wheel hop.. Which I need to track down and fix.

gtracer · 07-02-2009, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by x_fg2_x

Good stuff man. Your settup was very similar to my 1st track day. Stainless lines, same ATE Super blue fluid. Stock suspension. I had better tires tho.

But actually, I went to the track this past thursday with the Skunk 2 Pro C's and also I had Nitto NT01 R compound tires. I was using the same lines and fluid. But I was running porterfield R4 track pads in the front.. And I tell you. R compound Tires, track pads, and a good suspension makes a hell of a difference. I actually truely believe I had TOO much grip then the car could handle lol. But with that said. I think the brakes need some work. I didnt P***y brake at all. I slamed on them and trail braked where I could. And I tell you, the pads were still overheating. It was a fairly hot 96 degree day. God knows what the track temp was... but I think its time to upgrade the rotors.

As you mentioned, the ABS didnt give me too much trouble. Despite the fact that I had R4 track pads in the front, and R4s street pads in the rear.

So with my settup, the only 2 complaints I have were the brakes over heating, and I was getting some nasty wheel hop.. Which I need to track down and fix.

Sweet. I'm thinking to just go with DBA 4000's for the rotors and make myself some brake ducks using the fog lights holes.

Get some engine mounts too. Helps a good deal.

FALer · 07-02-2009, 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtracer

Sweet. I'm thinking to just go with DBA 4000's for the rotors and make myself some brake ducks using the fog lights holes.

Get some engine mounts too. Helps a good deal.

Do "brake ducks" quack?

gtracer · 07-02-2009, 11:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FALer

Do "brake ducks" quack?

I'll check and get back to you on that.

ducts

06-24-2009, 09:56 PM	#1 (permalink)
gtracer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 369 Nick iTrader: 0 / 0%	Track Day, brakes were great. Hey guys, I thought I could let you know on my track day. I bought some Hawk HT-10 for the front and Hawk Blue for the back along with Goodridge SS lines. Well, I was very happy, the brakes were very consistent no brake fade and I ran all day. ABS was less obstructive with the SS lines than with the Stock ones. I still had a great amount of pads left after the day, until they flew out of my trunk when I got into an accident. Mods: Stock Tires (maybe why I didn't get to experience any brake fade) Stock Rotors Stock Suspension ATE Super Blue Goodridge SS Line Hawk HT-10 Hawk Blue Edit: Sessions were 30 mins. Don't be shy to ask questions or to give your thoughts. Last edited by gtracer; 06-24-2009 at 09:59 PM.

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*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 28 Posts: 8,959 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Its your stock tires that kept your brakes from fading. They don't fair well with sticky tires. __________________ Inevitability is pounding at my door. In a world that owes you nothing, you give everything. Now I'm caught between what I can't leave behind and what I may never find.

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*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 28 Posts: 8,959 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Actually, wider tires don't increase the size of the contact patch, they change the shape of the contact patch and the shape of the patch changes less in dynamic situations. Thats where the increased grip comes from. Size of the contact patch is mostly determined by vehicle weight and distribution of that weight. Strange I know, but thats what actually happens. __________________ Inevitability is pounding at my door. In a world that owes you nothing, you give everything. Now I'm caught between what I can't leave behind and what I may never find.

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*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 28 Posts: 8,959 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	What you are doing is increasing the width of the contact patch, but decreasing the length. So you have moved the patch to an area that it can resist the lateral forces better. I can see it in my head, just having trouble really explaining it. __________________ Inevitability is pounding at my door. In a world that owes you nothing, you give everything. Now I'm caught between what I can't leave behind and what I may never find.

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gtracer Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Montreal Posts: 369 Nick iTrader: 0 / 0%	^ Yeah Seriously!

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GreyK20 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: 831 Posts: 3,247 iTrader: 13 / 100%	accident got pics man glad ur okay,what track did you do?

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THURA FTW! Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: SoCal 626 Age: 20 Posts: 180 Thura iTrader: 1 / 100%	Oh now I can see it, I guess that's what I meant by increasing the contact patch lol. Increasing the width so when cornering, more of it will be used, correct?

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*Sirbelch* Louder than 4 F404-GE-400 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Vacaville CA Age: 28 Posts: 8,959 Paul iTrader: 0 / 50%	Thats right. __________________ Inevitability is pounding at my door. In a world that owes you nothing, you give everything. Now I'm caught between what I can't leave behind and what I may never find.

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x_fg2_x Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Huntington Beach Posts: 300 Jason iTrader: 0 / 0%	Good stuff man. Your settup was very similar to my 1st track day. Stainless lines, same ATE Super blue fluid. Stock suspension. I had better tires tho. But actually, I went to the track this past thursday with the Skunk 2 Pro C's and also I had Nitto NT01 R compound tires. I was using the same lines and fluid. But I was running porterfield R4 track pads in the front.. And I tell you. R compound Tires, track pads, and a good suspension makes a hell of a difference. I actually truely believe I had TOO much grip then the car could handle lol. But with that said. I think the brakes need some work. I didnt P***y brake at all. I slamed on them and trail braked where I could. And I tell you, the pads were still overheating. It was a fairly hot 96 degree day. God knows what the track temp was... but I think its time to upgrade the rotors. As you mentioned, the ABS didnt give me too much trouble. Despite the fact that I had R4 track pads in the front, and R4s street pads in the rear. So with my settup, the only 2 complaints I have were the brakes over heating, and I was getting some nasty wheel hop.. Which I need to track down and fix.

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