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Old 10-09-2008, 12:06 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Pros and cons: Stage 2 Supercharger VS Stage 1 Supercahrger w/ hotter cams

Did the search function but came up with nothing relavant.

Just wondering if anyone had experience with these set ups?

Higher boost (smaller pulleys, larger injectors) VS lower boost with hotter cams (that are meant for FI)...

Thanks for your input!

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EDIT

Let me rephrase the question:

I already have a supercharger, what would the difference be if I got...

3.2″ PulleyBoys pulley
81″ Goodyear Gatorback belt
RC Engineering 650cc saturated injectors w/ clips

VS

Lets say Brian Crower Stage 2 Boost Camshafts

Both with a good tune.

I'm guessing they would make around the same power but in different parts of the powerband? Which one would yield more torque you think?

Experience with other cars (say the RSX Type-S) welcome!

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Old 10-09-2008, 12:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Considering the stage 2 kit isnt out yet...

And cams wont do much unless you get v-manage and e-manage to tune the cam angles.

Paring up say a tsx / ITR cam would do some. Idk how the afr's will look.
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Actually the TSX and ITR Exhaust cam is the same and it's too hot for a S/C set up. Your best bet is IPSK2SC cams or the stock SI exhaust cam and the TSX intake cam.
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Pros for stage 2: You must have a time machine, that's awesome
Cons for stage 2: It's not out for the rest of us... I really can't think of a "con".

Pros for "hotter" cams: If/when you can tune for more aggressive cams, they will be useful
Cons for "hotter" cams: Your A/F ratio will be out of whack and you won't be able to tune for them... unless of course you use your aforementioned time machine.
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Pros for stage 2: You must have a time machine, that's awesome Cons for stage 2: It's not out for the rest of us... I really can't think of a "con".

Pros for "hotter" cams: If/when you can tune for more aggressive cams, they will be useful
Cons for "hotter" cams: Your A/F ratio will be out of whack and you won't be able to tune for them... unless of course you use your aforementioned time machine.
No worries, I have a time machine
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This guy made a custom stage 2 supercharger... so we won't need a time machine.

Let me rephrase the question:

I already have a supercharger, what would the difference be if I got...

3.2″ PulleyBoys pulley
81″ Goodyear Gatorback belt
RC Engineering 650cc saturated injectors w/ clips

VS

Lets say Brian Crower Stage 2 Boost Camshafts

Both with a good tune.

I'm guessing they would make around the same power but in different parts of the powerband? Which one would yield more torque you think?

Experience with other cars (say the RSX Type-S) welcome!

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Pros for stage 2: You must have a time machine, that's awesome
Cons for stage 2: It's not out for the rest of us... I really can't think of a "con".

Pros for "hotter" cams: If/when you can tune for more aggressive cams, they will be useful
Cons for "hotter" cams: Your A/F ratio will be out of whack and you won't be able to tune for them... unless of course you use your aforementioned time machine.

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Old 10-09-2008, 01:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If both a stage 2 upgrade were available and a tuning solution for cams, I'd go with stage 2. You will be able to see the gains over the entire powerband with the higher boost & bigger injectors. With cams, it takes most tuners a little bit of time ($$) to dial in cams for an optimal powerband, especially if they're really aggressive.
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The Beast Unleashed - COMplex's Comptech Supercharged 2006 Honda Civic Si - civic.plex.nu

This guy made a custom stage 2 supercharger... so we won't need a time machine.

Let me rephrase the question:

I already have a supercharger, what would the difference be if I got...

3.2″ PulleyBoys pulley
81″ Goodyear Gatorback belt
RC Engineering 650cc saturated injectors w/ clips

VS

Lets say Brian Crower Stage 2 Boost Camshafts

Both with a good tune.

I'm guessing they would make around the same power but in different parts of the powerband? Which one would yield more torque you think?

Experience with other cars (say the RSX Type-S) welcome!
you owuld need a tune with a 3.2in most likely. The afr isnt going to be good.


Stage 2 cams will require some head work and unless you can tune the cams correctly there is no point. You wont get nearly as much power as possible. How do you plan on tuning them because you know you have to mate 2 tuning programs to be able to tune the cam angles. Which is a lot of money and not worth it. just wait for stage2 comptech kit and get that.
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