Little Rock Ar. chat thread - Page 101

Riverak21 · 01-26-2008, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlxyGry06Si

damnnnnnn. i love that car.

Too bad that car doesn't love you!

***Excalibur*** · 01-27-2008, 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverak21

Too bad that car doesn't love you!

OOOoooooohhhhhh......pwned.

Riverak21 · 01-27-2008, 10:16 PM

Me and Danny took some pictures after we washed our cars.

It's a Nice Day For a Photoshoot!!! (56K!?!?!?!?!...no)

GlxyGry06Si · 01-27-2008, 10:56 PM

nice. i repped you.

Riverak21 · 01-27-2008, 11:43 PM

It was a spontaneous kinda thing. I was washing my car and danny came out and washed his too. Then we headed out to the lake.

GlxyGry06Si · 01-28-2008, 10:17 AM

well they turned out really good. maybe we might just take them there next time. it needs to get warm fast.

GlxyGry06Si · 01-28-2008, 10:28 AM

NST - NonStopTuning - The Leader In Civic Si K20 Pulleys

tell me what you guys think.

GlxyGry06Si · 01-28-2008, 10:29 AM

basically what im saying is that i need an idea of what to do to the car next. i was thinking suspension or a cf hood cuz mines beat all to shit. help me

Riverak21 · 01-28-2008, 10:36 AM

Jarred, get on this group buy! http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/spons...ound-2-gb.html

But CF hood is nice.

Riverak21 · 01-28-2008, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlxyGry06Si

well they turned out really good. maybe we might just take them there next time. it needs to get warm fast.

They turned out good because I finally took my camera and took pictures of my own.

GlxyGry06Si · 01-28-2008, 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverak21

Jarred, get on this group buy! http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/spons...ound-2-gb.html

But CF hood is nice.

but my tires dont wear that bad. they dont wear perfect but neither do they with stock suspension. i want powa.

Riverak21 · 01-28-2008, 10:41 AM

They arent really for camber wear but to get negative camber up front to benefit the most from the Si's suspension handling.

***Excalibur*** · 01-28-2008, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlxyGry06Si

NST - NonStopTuning - The Leader In Civic Si K20 Pulleys

tell me what you guys think.

Stay away. Are you gonna do anything for looks?

GlxyGry06Si · 01-28-2008, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Excalibur

Stay away. Are you gonna do anything for looks?

i dunno. i was thinking about the sibon oem style cf hood cuz mine looks like crap or the front hfp lip. i would like to do a lil visual now but not sure. i want your opinion.

Riverak21 · 01-28-2008, 10:44 AM

ALIGNMENTS!!

Well you guys spend alot of money on your suspension parts right. Then you go right back to the OEM alignment which uh sucks. That alignment is not for performance. It is strickly to make tires last and make sure your car understeers. Both of those things don't make a car turn well. You will need a set or 2 of front camber bolts, and a rear camber kit to adjust camber.

The factory specs are as follows.
Camber
Front
0 º 00 '±30 '
Rear
-1 º 30 '+1 º 05 '-0 º 45 '
Caster
Front
7 º 00 '±1 º
Total toe-in
Front
0±2 mm (0±0.08 in.)
Rear
2+2-1 mm (0.08+0.08-0.04 in.)

So why are these specs Crap? We want more oversteer without Murdering our tires right. A balanced less "pushy" car.
Well, If you look at the OEM spec's, Honda has setup these specs to pretty much allow for NO camber up front. And about -1 degree in the rear. Why? So your car understeers. This is so the car is safe for you to drive without the waggin the tail all over the place. This also does not allow for good turn in or a "fun" car to drive.

We need to change this. Why Camber does not eat tires. Ok so maybee it does but not nearly as bad as TOE, we will get to this. So the more -camber up front the car will handle better. TO a point anyway. And you need to balance out the rear’s camber to “match” to front to have a balance, slightly overteering FWD car is the "fast" way around a track.

TOE TOE eats TIRES!! Toe can help a cars handling. Too much toe and you eat tires and the car can wander on the highway. Too little and you are hindering the cars ability to turn.

Toe out on the front will tend to make the car turn in better and toe in on the nose will make the car understeer more. For the street I say 1/32 shouldn't effect tire wear enough for the gains.

For the rear, Toe out will increase the cars tendency to oversteer, where toe in will decrease it. More toe in to make it understeer more (less oversteer) More towards toe out to make it rotate more.
If you want to keep your tires ok and still turn well.

Camber Front = -1.5 to -1.75
Camber Rear = -1 to -1.25
Toe front = 1/32nd toe out I am now suggesting 0 Toe Most people won't be able to realize that the car has the toe, especially on the street.
Toe Rear = 0

EDIT by ERIC AKA bluroadster-toll booth operator- alignment specifications depend on the nature of driving. Driving on the twisties, one would want more - camber vice if one was driving on the highway all of the time where their style of driving would eat the inside of the tires.

A "race"/track day alignment is going to be even more wear but will handle better.

Riverak21 · 01-28-2008, 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlxyGry06Si

i dunno. i was thinking about the sibon oem style cf hood cuz mine looks like crap or the front hfp lip. i would like to do a lil visual now but not sure. i want your opinion.

Front lip is $233 shipped through DB Honda.

GlxyGry06Si · 01-28-2008, 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Riverak21

Front lip is $233 shipped through DB Honda.

db honda? how much for the whole kit. that seems kinda cheap. already painted right? i wonder would it look alright even tho my paint has kinda faded.

Riverak21 · 01-28-2008, 10:50 AM

Youll find all the info for DB Honda here on like pages 7-9. Yes they come prepainted.

The HFP Front Lip Club!

***Excalibur*** · 01-28-2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlxyGry06Si

i dunno. i was thinking about the sibon oem style cf hood cuz mine looks like crap or the front hfp lip. i would like to do a lil visual now but not sure. i want your opinion.

I think you should get the t1r cf lip or whatever it was and the carbon fiber hood.

Riverak21 · 01-28-2008, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GlxyGry06Si

i dunno. i was thinking about the sibon oem style cf hood cuz mine looks like crap or the front hfp lip. i would like to do a lil visual now but not sure. i want your opinion.

Get the CF hood, the front lip, and the front lip black overlay!

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01-27-2008, 10:16 PM	#2003 (permalink)
Riverak21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Little Rock AFB Age: 24 Posts: 1,284 Kevin iTrader: 5 / 100%	Me and Danny took some pictures after we washed our cars. It's a Nice Day For a Photoshoot!!! (56K!?!?!?!?!...no)

01-27-2008, 10:56 PM	#2004 (permalink)
GlxyGry06Si Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Jacksonville, AR Age: 23 Posts: 7,087 iTrader: 3 / 100%	nice. i repped you.

01-27-2008, 11:43 PM	#2005 (permalink)
Riverak21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Little Rock AFB Age: 24 Posts: 1,284 Kevin iTrader: 5 / 100%	It was a spontaneous kinda thing. I was washing my car and danny came out and washed his too. Then we headed out to the lake.

01-28-2008, 10:17 AM	#2006 (permalink)
GlxyGry06Si Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Jacksonville, AR Age: 23 Posts: 7,087 iTrader: 3 / 100%	well they turned out really good. maybe we might just take them there next time. it needs to get warm fast.

01-28-2008, 10:28 AM	#2007 (permalink)
GlxyGry06Si Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Jacksonville, AR Age: 23 Posts: 7,087 iTrader: 3 / 100%	NST - NonStopTuning - The Leader In Civic Si K20 Pulleys tell me what you guys think.

01-28-2008, 10:29 AM	#2008 (permalink)
GlxyGry06Si Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Jacksonville, AR Age: 23 Posts: 7,087 iTrader: 3 / 100%	basically what im saying is that i need an idea of what to do to the car next. i was thinking suspension or a cf hood cuz mines beat all to shit. help me

01-28-2008, 10:36 AM	#2009 (permalink)
Riverak21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Little Rock AFB Age: 24 Posts: 1,284 Kevin iTrader: 5 / 100%	Jarred, get on this group buy! http://www.8thcivic.com/forums/spons...ound-2-gb.html But CF hood is nice.

01-28-2008, 10:41 AM	#2012 (permalink)
Riverak21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Little Rock AFB Age: 24 Posts: 1,284 Kevin iTrader: 5 / 100%	They arent really for camber wear but to get negative camber up front to benefit the most from the Si's suspension handling.

01-28-2008, 10:44 AM	#2015 (permalink)
Riverak21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Little Rock AFB Age: 24 Posts: 1,284 Kevin iTrader: 5 / 100%	ALIGNMENTS!! Well you guys spend alot of money on your suspension parts right. Then you go right back to the OEM alignment which uh sucks. That alignment is not for performance. It is strickly to make tires last and make sure your car understeers. Both of those things don't make a car turn well. You will need a set or 2 of front camber bolts, and a rear camber kit to adjust camber. The factory specs are as follows. Camber Front 0 º 00 '±30 ' Rear -1 º 30 '+1 º 05 '-0 º 45 ' Caster Front 7 º 00 '±1 º Total toe-in Front 0±2 mm (0±0.08 in.) Rear 2+2-1 mm (0.08+0.08-0.04 in.) So why are these specs Crap? We want more oversteer without Murdering our tires right. A balanced less "pushy" car. Well, If you look at the OEM spec's, Honda has setup these specs to pretty much allow for NO camber up front. And about -1 degree in the rear. Why? So your car understeers. This is so the car is safe for you to drive without the waggin the tail all over the place. This also does not allow for good turn in or a "fun" car to drive. We need to change this. Why Camber does not eat tires. Ok so maybee it does but not nearly as bad as TOE, we will get to this. So the more -camber up front the car will handle better. TO a point anyway. And you need to balance out the rear’s camber to “match” to front to have a balance, slightly overteering FWD car is the "fast" way around a track. TOE TOE eats TIRES!! Toe can help a cars handling. Too much toe and you eat tires and the car can wander on the highway. Too little and you are hindering the cars ability to turn. Toe out on the front will tend to make the car turn in better and toe in on the nose will make the car understeer more. For the street I say 1/32 shouldn't effect tire wear enough for the gains. For the rear, Toe out will increase the cars tendency to oversteer, where toe in will decrease it. More toe in to make it understeer more (less oversteer) More towards toe out to make it rotate more. If you want to keep your tires ok and still turn well. Camber Front = -1.5 to -1.75 Camber Rear = -1 to -1.25 Toe front = 1/32nd toe out I am now suggesting 0 Toe Most people won't be able to realize that the car has the toe, especially on the street. Toe Rear = 0 EDIT by ERIC AKA bluroadster-toll booth operator- alignment specifications depend on the nature of driving. Driving on the twisties, one would want more - camber vice if one was driving on the highway all of the time where their style of driving would eat the inside of the tires. A "race"/track day alignment is going to be even more wear but will handle better.

01-28-2008, 10:50 AM	#2018 (permalink)
Riverak21 Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Little Rock AFB Age: 24 Posts: 1,284 Kevin iTrader: 5 / 100%	Youll find all the info for DB Honda here on like pages 7-9. Yes they come prepainted. The HFP Front Lip Club!