ROTM Comments and Suggestions

[jrMartinez24]

that's why I don't think it can EVER be fair

[dt07Si]

Originally Posted by jrMartinez24

that's why I don't think it can EVER be fair

Yep, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a ROTM contest. I think the way the contest is setup now is the best it ever has been. Whether its because of friends or not idk, but I think the cars that are in the lead right now are the cars that I personally think deserve to be, and deserve to win.

[turbocivic]

Originally Posted by dt07Si

Yep, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have a ROTM contest. I think the way the contest is setup now is the best it ever has been. Whether its because of friends or not idk, but I think the cars that are in the lead right now are the cars that I personally think deserve to be, and deserve to win.

correct on that one!

[Zeuceone]

Just stop doing ROTM. That way its fair to everyone that no one will win anymore. Easy as that.

[06RREX]

Originally Posted by dt07Si

x2

People are always going to vote for their friends. Call it fair, unfair, whatever you want...I still think its better having all members able to vote rather than just the mods or VIP members.

Me personally I don't really plan on doing much more to my car, atleast not in the immediate future so I don't plan on submitting my car for ROTM anymore.

This might be a bad comparison, but- I kinda compare it to a regular election- a little. If you knew a candidate well, you will probably vote for them. Or if you are voting for a President, and they are from your state, most will people from that state will vote for them.\

Any of the rides nominated are deserving. That's why they are up there in the first place. But, it is a free vote and people have the right to choose whoever they want. It should be based on their car, not how well they are known though.

[oeightmugen]

On the issue of me getting disqualified from ROTM,...

I said

WOW,... the drama over this issue is surprising,... I must chime in on a couple of posts regarding "cheating" though.


Quote:
Originally Posted by rippars
well im sure that you have been in contact with some of the mods about this and that they have explained what has gone on and what they are going to do to correct it the next time around but it seems that your the only one that keeps pressing the issue once they have explained themselves about the process of throwing up your picture for be picked into voting and now this issue of campaigning...

i would think they gave an explanation to oeightmugen as well...

and in the past i do believe if you were caught campaigning you wouldtnt be allowed to run again.

I was given an explanation. They told me,

"Sadly you were removed from rotm bc you camaigned in a thread telling people to vote for you. That is a no no on this forum. If you would have just left the link, that would have been fine, but telling others to vote for you is considered cheating here. Sorry but that's just how it is here."

I am absolutely fine with this if it is posted as a rule and I broke the rule. IMO, 8thcivic.com should not consider this "cheating". I did nothing of the sort.

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Quote:
Originally Posted by 07mugencivic
he cheated

My disqualifying post was,

"Come help a fellow Vegas 8th Civic out,... vote for me"

posted in a Las Vegas chat thread here on 8th civic.
I understand now that this is breaking a rule but I DID NOT cheat.





jrMartinez said

telling people to "vote for me" is cheating in my book. People that normally wouldn't vote for you, but now will, is a way to add more votes for you. How do you not see that? Things will be CLEAR for next month so that this other anything else WILL NOT happen again!

now, as I have said a million times, can we end this?

If you have a comment, take it to the rotm suggestions!




"People that normally wouldn't vote for you, but now will, is a way to add more votes for you. How do you not see that?"

I am clear on this statement. I still do not see campaigning as "cheating".

[jrMartinez24]

everyone has an opinion

[mmmken]

Originally Posted by jrMartinez24

telling people to "vote for me" is cheating in my book. People that normally wouldn't vote for you, but now will, is a way to add more votes for you. How do you not see that? Things will be CLEAR for next month so that this, or anything else WILL NOT happen again!

now, as I have said a million times, can we end this?

If you have a comment, take it to the rotm suggestions!

ROTM Comments and Suggestions

How was oeightmugen cheating if the rules weren't even posted? I understand that you've pledged to make things clearer for next month, but if you're still calling him a cheater even after you've admitted to accidentally leaving out a concise list of rules to follow by - that's not right.

Originally Posted by jrMartinez24

everyone has an opinion

You're a direct representative of 8thCivic, and any opinion made by you (unless explicitly noted) is official especially pertaining to ROTM, as you're administering it. I could understand it if a random member had an opinion about oeightmugen, but you're different. By expressing what you did - you implied that this community as a whole deemed him as a cheater, which he is not.

[BlueSi4]

Originally Posted by mmmken

How was oeightmugen cheating if the rules weren't even posted? I understand that you've pledged to make things clearer for next month, but if you're still calling him a cheater even after you've admitted to accidentally leaving out a concise list of rules to follow by - that's not right.

You again?

I think we all heard your point plenty of times already, stop stirring this ****.

Everyone knows that asking for votes is not allowed, it's just that simple.

Mods heard what you had to say and will be fixed for next month. Isn't that what you wanted?

[0720Steve]

Please keep the bickering and chatter out of this thread. This thread is used solely for any comments about the logistics of ROTM, whether they are negative, neutral or positive.

I want to continue to hear feedback from the community. Please don't make this thread get locked and then later on complain the site is ran without the consent of the community.

Thanks.

let's keep the focus herre.

[mmmken]

Originally Posted by BlueSi4

You again?

I think we all heard your point plenty of times already, stop stirring this ****.

Everyone knows that asking for votes is not allowed, it's just that simple.

Mods heard what you had to say and will be fixed for next month. Isn't that what you wanted?

I'm here again because things obviously aren't resolved. I agreed to stay quiet on the promise that things would be cleared up. I have comments for the improvement of ROTM, you do not (and that's what this thread is for). Please either chime in with something at least remotely relevant to this thread or get out.

You are foolish to assume everyone knew about the rule. It's being changed now, so I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

What the problem is now, is that while a moderator apologized for the mistake of not properly publishing the rules - the same moderator is accusing a person of cheating (when the most of the fault here has to do with the lack of rules posted).

[oeightmugen]

Originally Posted by jrMartinez24

everyone has an opinion

This is not an oppinion. By definition, campaigning does not equal cheating. But that is way off topic. My suggestion is for 8thcivic to not consider the rule breaking of campaigning for ROTM as cheating.

[oeightmugen]

Originally Posted by mmmken

I'm here again because things obviously aren't resolved. I agreed to stay quiet on the promise that things would be cleared up. I have comments for the improvement of ROTM, you do not (and that's what this thread is for). Please either chime in with something at least remotely relevant to this thread or get out.

You are foolish to assume everyone knew about the rule. It's being changed now, so I'm not going to bother arguing with you.

What the problem is now, is that while a moderator apologized for the mistake of not properly publishing the rules - the same moderator is accusing a person of cheating (when the most of the fault here has to do with the lack of rules posted).

,...And what he said

[BlueSi4]

The new month didn't even start, so how can you assume that things aren't resolved?

I've been around a few months less than you have, and I know what this is all about. I'm not foolish and I know what I'm talking about, it's when people like you mess everything up. You're still butthurt that you didn't get selected to make it to the voting round, and that's ok, but don't come all over the ROTM trying to pretend like you're contributing.

ROTM had gone away for a while, and then Ricky did a lot of work to get it back, and he probably thought that everyone knew that there was not to be any campaigning for votes, and that not everyone that submits a picture would make it to the finals. He already apologized when you started bickering, and you kept going on about it. What else is he supposed to do?

As far as contributions, I already said what I had to say about ROTM. This is a popularity vote even if you don't wanna see it that way as someone already said. You're gonna vote for a person you know that has a nice car before you vote someone else that you don't know that also has a nice car, it's just that easy.

What I do think should be done is that everyone before submitting their pictures should think about what ROTM means. If you have a fairly stock car and you decided to paint it another color, should that be considered ROTM over someone who has put a lot of money, effort, time and dedication on their car?

Pictures play a big role on the voting too, you have sick pictures, you have a very good chance of winning, just that simple. People vote more for what looks good rather than what it packs, so if you want to have a shot to win this, go out and get creative with pictures.

Based on all the problems that this month has had, now the rules will have to be written so that a 2 year old can understand...

- NO GOING AROUND ASKING FOR VOTES
- DON'T SAY VOTE FOR ME
- ONLY 5 CARS WILL BE SELECTED
- NOT EVERYONE THAT ENTERS WILL MAKE IT TO THE FINAL ROUND

I think everyone knew this already, didn't you?

[Xtreme Thunder]

Originally Posted by oeightmugen

This is not an oppinion. By definition, campaigning does not equal cheating. But that is way off topic. My suggestion is for 8thcivic to not consider the rule breaking of campaigning for ROTM as cheating.

It shoud state:

Rule #xxx - No Campaigning. If caught, violator will be stripped from ROTM and not be allowed to enter in any ROTM there after. etc...

I do agree that campaigning in this instance was a gray area, and should not also have been considered as cheating. Should just have been simply stated breaking the rules, which in this instance was another gray area.

Example - When you get caught for speeding. The speed limit is the rule. You get caught for breaking the rule not for cheating.

Just bad verbage if that is how it was originally presented, and I am sure next time this situation will be buttoned up.

[Zeuceone]

why havent rules been posted?

[jrMartinez24]

Originally Posted by Zeuceone

why havent rules been posted?

they will be next month. Something else I can help you with ?

[Cr8tive_leo]

Too much drama, just don't do it.

[jrMartinez24]

it will continue to happen. This was a good learning experience for me I took on this project & I am NOT giving it up. Just a bump in the road. I am glad that it happened now actually.

[jrotax101]

Roadkill FTL.