$875.00 exhuast ticket with STOCK EXHAUST WTF?!?!

[Cbeyer2]

The couple of cops on the 8th and a couple I've dealt with for EMS stuff are the only ones that make me think that there are actually good cops out there somewhere. It's the only thing keeping me from flipping the bird at every one of them.... I know that's irrational and rude but some of the times I've been pulled over, and the way I've been talked down too.... makes me want to punch something....

If i were you, I'd try and make money off of this.... That ticket is absolutely ridiculous.... may have been covered, but are you something other than white? If so, play up that angle...

Not one of my most flattering posts but wth

[ciprich211]

Nooo, play the " you only pulled me over because I'm young and have a nice car " angle. Not that you need to " play " at all... you committe no crime. Take your case to the supreme court if you have to, you will become wealthy... AND make the cops look really bad.

[06 Civic Ex]

there is 2 prerequisties to taking a case to the supreme court

1- millions of dollars
2- an important case

[zippob09]

scan and post ticket please.........

i think we would ALL like to see what a $875 noise violation looks like

[WhiTe~Si~]

i will when i get a better camera around here only one i got is with my cell phone an it doesn't show clear

[MobiusTech]

This WAS my written defense that I submitted to the MacDill Air Force Base military security guys.


MEMORANDUM FOR MSG/CD

FROM: ME

SUBJECT: Appeal of Armed Forces Traffic Ticket

1. Background

I was pulled over by Staff Sergeant Robert Lewis at 0720 on April 23, 2008 in the Burger King Parking lot. I was cited with three tickets:

A) Failure to stop at a posted stop sign
B) Exhibition of speed
C) Failure to provide proof of current insurance

I do admit to the first ticket and not coming to a full and complete stop at the stop sign on North Boundary Blvd traveling eastbound. However, I did not understand the second ticket for “Exhibition of speed”. I asked SSgt Lewis what he meant by “exhibition of speed” and he told me that when I rolled through the stop sign, “I floored it.” I then asked what my speed on that 15mph road was and he told me “I was going way faster then the posted speed limit.” Nevertheless, I do not understand why I did not get a fourth ticket for speeding if this was the case.

I explained to SSgt Lewis that my vehicle has a factory sport exhaust. The combination of it being early in the dark, quiet, cold morning and with not many vehicles on the road lead to his impression of my speed being based on the decibels of my exhaust; in which does not exceed the operating noise limits of Florida law. I also made mentioned that there was a white van in front of me and it was very difficult to be speeding on a one lane road with another vehicle ahead doing the speed limit.

SSgt Lewis then proceeded to ask me why I had a radio scanner in my car for and I told him that I was a communications Marine and it was part of Military Occupational Skill and I liked gadgets. He then accused me of using it to listen and scan for police radio frequencies. I told him that I did not use it for that and that I bought it from Radio Shack and it is not illegal to have a portable handheld radio scanner in your vehicle in the state of Florida. SSgt Lewis again repeated, “Whatever, you use it to listen for cops”. I felt that SSgt Lewis was accusing me of illegal street racing. Then he glanced in my car again and he made mention that I had a radar detector as well. I explained to him it was not a radar detector but a GPS speedometer in which I demonstrated to him by powering it on. He then told me that even if it was a radar detector it was powered off.

I then asked in regards to the “Failure to provide proof of current insurance”, if I was able to print it out from online, where I would be able to take it to get that third ticket dismissed. SSgt Lewis told me that it would still count against me even if I were to provide proof of current insurance and I will still be citied with the ticket and points counted against my base driving privileges. When he finally finished answering all my questions, SSgt Lewis proceeded to force a lecture on me about my proficiency and conduct as a United States Marine Corps Non-Commissioned Officer and how I was not setting the example and how embarrassing and sad that was.

After informing my Chain of Command and First Sergeant, I was directed to go to Security Forces to contest these tickets. I spoke to an Air Force Staff Sergeant that works with Mr. Erich Gorgas and I asked her if it was true what SSgt Lewis explained to me. That even if I were to provide proof of insurance that the ticket will still be counted against me? She told me that SSgt Lewis gave me wrong information and she quickly dismissed that ticket. I then told her that I do admit to the first ticket but I don’t understand the second “exhibition of speed” ticket. She told me to standby as she looked through her Florida Traffic Handbooks and then told me from as far as she can tell; “exhibition of speed” is in regards to illegal street racing. She told me the only way to appeal this ticket is to write this appeal and submit it back to them. I thanked her for her help.

2. Request for Appeal

My justification for this appeal is that if you look at the Florida stature on “exhibition of speed” it states:

“To unlawfully drive a vehicle in a race, speed competition or contest, drag race or acceleration contest, test of physical endurance, exhibition of speed or acceleration, or for the purpose of making a speed record on a highway, roadway, or parking lot, or did participate in, coordinate, facilitate, or collect moneys at any location for any such race, ride as a passenger in, or purposely cause the movement of traffic to slow or stop for, any such race, competition, contest, test, or exhibition, to-wit”

I was not engaged in a race with anyone as I was traveling back to MARCENT after completing unit PT. I especially question SSgt Lewis integrity and proficiency for issuing this citation as it was proven that he had given me wrong information on my third ticket, harassing me with accusations that I illegally street race based on the legal equipment inside my vehicle, stereotyping the type of vehicle I drive and then reprimanding me for being an NCO in the United States Marine Corps. I sincerely ask that his professionalism and authority in issuing this citation be reviewed.
I request appeal on ticket #G049792, based upon Section 316.191, Florida Statues which outlines exhibition of speed 316.191 Section 4 (1) (d) as:

“Exhibition of speed” means the use of a motor vehicle in a demonstration to another person or persons, including, but not limited to, any passenger of such motor vehicle or the driver or passenger of another motor vehicle, of the motor vehicle’s speed or handling capabilities at a speed of at least double the posted or lawful speed limit or 100 miles per hour, whichever is less.”

I was not shown evidence of speeding more then double the posted and lawful speed.


Attached Documents

1 – Aerial map
2 – Copies of three citations
3 – 316.191 Florida Statute
4 – Committee Amendment


TO: 6 SFS/CC
Recommend this appeal to be granted/denied.


Unit Commander’s Signature Block

[WhiTe~Si~]

damn your good. can't believe that cop was getting on you like that even after knowing you were in the marines i would of taught he would gave you more of a break then a hard time..may be its because your higher stature then him, Nice Write up

[Manutd]

wow... lol

[hondawhore77]

Jeez! You sound like a lawyer.

[06 Civic Ex]

he isnt a lawyer but a ricer

[WhiTe~Si~]

lmao not a ricer a decal whore, well used to be i think he took them all off now

[06 Civic Ex]

once a ricer always a ricer

[WhiTe~Si~]

oh u mad?

[06 Civic Ex]

Originally Posted by WhiTe~Si~

oh u mad?

[WhiTe~Si~]

lets take this else where upstate chat meet me there asap.

[mugennosora]

isnt' N22 FTY for stop sign?

[WhiTe~Si~]

idk... is it?

[9900rpm]

When the cop got behind you, you should have ran :) Wait, you got stock exhaust, so your chances of getting away are slim, lol.

On a serious note, go find out what the legal decible (sp?) limit for exhaust is in NY. Go look up the statue code of the summons you were issued, and see the exact definition of it. There should be some type of decible threshold. If the law is written in that way, where above XX decibles, it's considered a violation, then you can fight the ticket, in a trial, by questioning the cop by what means did he measure te sound decibles. If he says he "heard" it and it was loud, ask him if he's had any sound training, in measuring decibles. If he says yes, ask him for proof, on the spot. In a trial, if he can't provide documents, he lost.

NY or not, they HAVE to prove beyond reasonable doubt. Just the officer's word isn't enough. There's a very good chace that if you even show up to court, it'll be dropped.

Good luck.

[06 Civic Ex]

dude its modified exhaust is the ticket.

he says itlooks like a modified exhaust so he has to appear in court in order to prove it isnt.

[9900rpm]

Originally Posted by 06 Civic Ex

dude its modified exhaust is the ticket.

he says itlooks like a modified exhaust so he has to appear in court in order to prove it isnt.

If it's for modified exhaust, I would see it hard for the cop to prove that it is. Wouldn't he have to show what the stock exhaust looks like in order to prove that the exhaust in question is modified?

To the OP, don't sweat it. You're gonna beat this ticket. @$$hole cop is just wasting your time.