engine burning odor / steam

[dkatz]

Dealer confirmed that the shortblock needs to be replaced.

Is there any way to get Honda to replace the entire engine? It seems like using a new shortblock with cylinder heads that are 30,000 miles old isn't the best solution. I also don't have confidence in the dealership mechanics for such a big job.

[RReuphoria]

Tell them that for the trouble they've caused you, you prefer they replace the entire motor...with a K20Z3A.

[Opticon]

it would be alot cheaper to replace the entire engine, theres hella labor just changing the block. such as taking the internals out and reinstalling them in the new block, installing the head, hooking up sensors and then puuting it back in the car. explain it to them if they r that stupid

[peter_x]

Originally Posted by Opticon

it would be alot cheaper to replace the entire engine, theres hella labor just changing the block. such as taking the internals out and reinstalling them in the new block, installing the head, hooking up sensors and then puuting it back in the car. explain it to them if they r that stupid

Do you know what a short block is? I don't know if the engine comes pre-assembled from Honda, either way it won't matter. The short block contains the pistons and crank.

[volvo9]

Originally Posted by peter_x

Do you know what a short block is? I don't know if the engine comes pre-assembled from Honda, either way it won't matter. The short block contains the pistons and crank.

Yup, and it's honda's call what gets replaced. The dealership has to send all the parts back and Honda will give them crap if they replaced the heads also because a block was cracked. It's not the dealerships call.

Taking a transmission apart sounds stupid too but that's what Honda makes dealers do.

[RReuphoria]

Originally Posted by peter_x

Do you know what a short block is?

ummm...smaller than a long block? lol

[lovecheese]

What is a short block? Since it contains the pistons and crank, I'm assuming it's a vital component of the engine... (I'm not car smart so if it's stupid question sorry!)

[volvo9]

Originally Posted by lovecheese

What is a short block? Since it contains the pistons and crank, I'm assuming it's a vital component of the engine... (I'm not car smart so if it's stupid question sorry!)

A short block is a complete engine, but without the heads.

A long block is a complete engine, heads and all.

Having just the short block replaced isn't bad at all. With proper care the parts in the heads don't usually fail.

[Opticon]

a block is a block, doesnt matter if its short or long, two major parts of an engine is the block and the head, both work together. you ppl confused other ppl by saying "short block", just say block.. damn lol. block contains bearings, crank, connecting rods, rings, pistons, sometimes lifters and push rods. 4 cylinder head contains cam, bearings, valves, seals, springs, rocker arms etc. for those who dont know.

[RReuphoria]

<is getting a square block

[HondaFREAK]

Originally Posted by Opticon

a block is a block, doesnt matter if its short or long, two major parts of an engine is the block and the head, both work together. you ppl confused other ppl by saying "short block", just say block.. damn lol. block contains bearings, crank, connecting rods, rings, pistons, sometimes lifters and push rods. 4 cylinder head contains cam, bearings, valves, seals, springs, rocker arms etc. for those who dont know.

Honda parts calls it the "short block" but they have had people come in with cracked short blocks around 30k...it's usually just on the R18...

Unfortunately, some of the engine blocks cast were cast with either imperfections in the metal, or air bubbles. Either way, the pressure on the engine causes small fissures and cracks to form until something like what happened to the OP occurs. it sucks, and Honda's quality goes down the tubes....seems like their build quality is going the way of the do do bird.

[Opticon]

lol..

[HondaFREAK]

I'm seriously hoping that doesn't happen to me since I've owned an '06 R18 EX but I only got it to 15k before I traded it in for an '07 R18 EX in a manual tranny which only has 9k on it....keeping my fingers crossed....

As to the OP I'm sorry this happened to you, it's an example that honda is slacking. replacing a short block is actually not that bad a process and people have been satisfied with the work. I know a few honda techs that said they would rather just replace the short block than have to swap the whole engine.

[magbarn]

Funny how this R18 seemed to die the same kind of death and honda had the same fix for it. This tech seems pretty good as he used to own his own engine shop.

Click to see a R18 stripped naked

[ojefferyo]

Originally Posted by peter_x

Do you know what a short block is? I don't know if the engine comes pre-assembled from Honda, either way it won't matter. The short block contains the pistons and crank.

i just sit here and laugh sometimes not in just this topic but others also

[peter_x]

Originally Posted by ojefferyo

i just sit here and laugh sometimes not in just this topic but others also

Opticon thought that they were replacing just the block, in which case they would have to swap the internals.

If the Honda techs have to assemble the short block, they would probably have to assemble the entire engine too if that's what they were replacing instead.

I was just pointing out that the labor is less either way.

HondaFREAK, it's a misnomer to refer to a "cracked short block". It's just a cracked block.

[RReuphoria]

What type of fluid does a block use?

[ojefferyo]

Originally Posted by peter_x

Opticon thought that they were replacing just the block, in which case they would have to swap the internals.

If the Honda techs have to assemble the short block, they would probably have to assemble the entire engine too if that's what they were replacing instead.

I was just pointing out that the labor is less either way.

HondaFREAK, it's a misnomer to refer to a "cracked short block". It's just a cracked block.

i've worked at a few dealers myself and everytime we have to replace short blocks it's never come as a bare block, its always the block with all the internals sometimes with oil pan and sometimes not.

[ojefferyo]

Originally Posted by RReuphoria

What type of fluid does a block use?

lol "block fluid" the red bottle you know.