it's official, dealers hate aftermarket MTF

[Metalhead852]

I take my car to Honda for all the stupid maint. stuff but any mods or the Amsoil I did myself. I like them thinking I'm to dumb to even do a simple oil change. So when they try to bs me I can pull my trump card of being an aircraft mechanic. It's worked once already when some jackass left a 100-700in lb torque wrench in my wifes engine bay and tried to tell me it wouldn't hurt nothing. I don't think I've ever got my feathers in a bunch worse than that day.

[dragonzsoul]

Originally Posted by schield

I'm sure a bunch do. As long as you put the correct grade/weight (recommended by the manual) in, there shouldn't be ANY problem.

I run Amsoil in my snowmobiles and one of the engines blew up two winters ago and I was still covered.

Something smells fishy.

so what do i do now? a friend suggested that i take it to a 3rd party mechanic that my stealership also approves of. he suggested this because he thinks my stealership will try to say that the aftermarket MTF will cause my tranny to break down, causing the 3rd gear issues. the mechanic can take a look at all the other gears, and see that there is no abnormal wear and tear. if the other gears are ok, it should prove that RP isn't a bad tranny fluid.

feedback on this approach please!

Originally Posted by MellowGato

Livermore Honda said the same thing to me when I first complained about the 3rd gear issue. They told me that any manual transmission fluid other than honda brand will void the transmission warranty.

Anyone have any experience with Dublin Honda?

livermore honda in cali? sounds familiar for some reason

Originally Posted by razer

they sed that to me to but after i bitched them out they sed...o.k and tried to fix my tranny...

i've tried bitching them out.. no luck

[icen]

Isn't Anderson Honda closer than Livermore?

I heard people in Anderson are nicer. Maybe you can give it a try there.
Just don't mention about the MTF.

[mrdimsum]

i dont' think its' the case of it being another brand, its the case that someone else worked/tamperd with it, thus for their own "safety" from finding and issue, and you blame them and blah blah blah....... its for their own protection from someone else doing it wrong....... and they may haved marked it into their comp. system that you did that........ dam........

oh yeah, send royal purple an EMAIl about this issue

[Yodums]

Don't bother fighting further with this dealership. Just go to the next one and don't mention Royal Purple MTF. The fight just isn't worth it.

[schield]

Originally Posted by mrdimsum

oh yeah, send royal purple an EMAIl about this issue

Good idea! Try that.

[Yodums]

I'm not sure what RP would do about the issue. They made an MTF that is geared towards an industry standard. They really have nothing to do with the issue at hand in this thread.

[nayilsi]

Question is why ? Amsoil, RP, and the rest......are they that substandard ? Are they designed to ruin the tranny ?

[DNieves]

Originally Posted by damnu

switch out the royal purple, and put honda mtf in.

Doesn't that show up in a Honda database with your VIN number?

[Zeuceone]

They can't deny you. Did you try emailijg the service manager?

["Ridge"Racer]

Originally Posted by DNieves

Doesn't that show up in a Honda database with your VIN number?

depends on the claim, how much info they got from the op, and how much they put into the computer, service writers technically dont like to get the mommy involved when they can just say no themselves. ive explained that the reason dealers void warranty work is because there technicians get a much lower rate when doing warranty. being a asm, ive done a isht load of warranty work on heavily modded cars, nissan never new a damn thing about it and know one will if you deal with the right person.

[dragonzsoul]

Originally Posted by icen

Isn't Anderson Honda closer than Livermore?

I heard people in Anderson are nicer. Maybe you can give it a try there.
Just don't mention about the MTF.

ok i'll give that a shot.

Originally Posted by mrdimsum

i dont' think its' the case of it being another brand, its the case that someone else worked/tamperd with it, thus for their own "safety" from finding and issue, and you blame them and blah blah blah....... its for their own protection from someone else doing it wrong....... and they may haved marked it into their comp. system that you did that........ dam........

oh yeah, send royal purple an EMAIl about this issue

hmm not sure. it's swapping MTF though, doesn't even begin to touch the tranny..

Originally Posted by Yodums

Don't bother fighting further with this dealership. Just go to the next one and don't mention Royal Purple MTF. The fight just isn't worth it.

yeah this dealership sucks.. nice avatar btw

Originally Posted by Zeuceone

They can't deny you. Did you try emailijg the service manager?

i was dealing with the service manager..

[jthoske]

I skimmed through the majority of the posts, but I'm pretty sure there are laws governing that auto manufacturers cannot deny warranty claims for not using their shit.

As long as the fluid you used meets or exceeds their standards then it shouldn't be a problem. If it were an autotrans I could see a problem with this, because auto trannys are usually more picky on what kind of fluid they take. I dont' think the Honda manual is really picky but I could be wrong..

I'd look into getting a lawyer to ask about the legality of denying a warranty claim based on the use of a non-OEM fluid in the car.

[b0yd07]

Two questions for you guys:

1) You said Royal Purple LOOKS different than the norm. Does AMSoil look/smell/taste different? I'm kind of worried now. If I don't mention it like you did, think they'd notice?

2) If they DO find out, does this go down on my Honda permanent record where all dealers can find out?

[08LX]

Buddy I've read most of this and man this sucks ass. I used to think that honda was the shit of all shit but it seems like they are leaving us all hanging and dangling in the wind here. Piss poor paint, Crappy transmissions, DBW that sucks ass. Whats next? Low mileage engine explosions like domestic p.o.s cars? Honda knows what we are gonna do to these cars. If they didn't the Si never would have become what it did. The accountants got hold of them and showed them how not to pay. Man this blows. Maybe I'll try to to get my Integra back..........naaaaaaaaa I still like my car but honda is being a bitch. good luck man.

[Special Ringpop]

Honda has some work to do, if you ask me, because the domestic market is quickly, quickly catching up (if not surpassing them) in many regards.

[10Hondas]

Originally Posted by e60.deluxe

btw, wheres that guy, i forget his SN, but he said that his dealer put AMSOIL into his car when he complained about 3rd gear?

I think that was me, my dealer put the Amsoil in for me and did not say anything at the time about warranty issues; this was back in Feb of 07. I have not had any problems with grinding since the fluid was put in except for a little stiffness going into third when cold.

[redvtech07]

I was just thinking about changing my MTF to AMSOIL. I came upon this thread... Damn that sucks man. This might help...Out of the Owners MANUAL

If Honda MTF is not available, you may use SAE 10w-30 or 10w-40 viscosity motor oil with the API Certification Seal that says for Gasoline engines as a temporary replacement. However, motor oil does not contain the proper additives and continued use can cause stiffer shifting. ect.

I found this on pg 233 and 234 of the book.

So it sounds like you can put other things in there...IDK. Im going to the dealership today to ask for certain.

Good luck

[10Hondas]

If they are going to deny warranty coverage for non oem trans fluid, then they should also deny coverage for non oem oil! How many dealers use Honda oil for thier oil changes?

[redvtech07]

Originally Posted by 10Hondas

If they are going to deny warranty coverage for non oem trans fluid, then they should also deny coverage for non oem oil! How many dealers use Honda oil for thier oil changes?

Thats the funny thing, When I looked in the book the only thing it said about the engine oil was that it should be 5-30 and have the API seal on it. I didn't say ANYTHING about being Honda oil.

So why are they being anal about the tranny