PROTEST AT HONDA OF ESCONDIDO (3rd gear problems)

[Tsume]

**** UPDATED*****
4-12-2008
Honda Releases TSB for 3rd Gear
Honda TSB 08-020 April 12, 2008 (3RD GEAR)
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update - 2/12/2008

Originally Posted by speedstyles408

hey there fellas i work for a honda dealership and do drive a 07 si prob also and i do have the 3rd gear issue....the main issue doesn't have to do with the transmission completely whats the issue is that the 2nd to 3rd gear synchro are heating up and bonding themselves to the blocker rings so it won' let u get into gear and causing the grind....as from honda there is no fix for this problem yet but if you at least file a claim of this problem through a dealership and ur car is on file, when there is a fix from honda you will for sure get the problem delt with...but as some of you have gotten ur clutches replaced that won't solve the problem but clutch wear will indicate how hard you drive your car by your mileage also so we techs can tell so drive hard but drive it hard the right way.....just a bit of info if not posted yet....

I am staging a protest outside of Honda of Escondido (So. Cal.) due to Honda's negligence in providing a working, reliable transmission to me with my brand new car. At 2,000 miles the 3rd gear started to grind. This is unacceptable from any auto maker from a car with such low milage. At first they denied they could reproduce the issue (liars). Then, they replaced the clutch once. They yelled at me for driving it too hard and said I'd have to pay for future repairs, even though I drove it perfectly! Clutch was replaced 2x after this, both times at my expense, even though the car is under warranty and only at 10,000mi!! They still deny the 3rd gear problem. I am not the only one with this issue and this certainly is not just about my lemon but everyones'.

Because of this I have no choice but to bring this issue to the attention of the people and media.

The PROTEST will be from 9AM to 2PM on SATURDAY, FEBRUARY 2ND at:
HONDA OF ESCONDIDO
1700 Auto Park Way North
Escondido, CA 92029

I will be handing out shirts with the attached logo on both sides for free, and will be persuading ANY customers to reconsider even THINKING about buying a Honda.

BRING AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN, I KNOW YOU ARE AS PISSED OFF AT HONDA AS I AM!!!

[nayilsi]

welcome to 8th

riding the clutch is bad mmkay

[espinoza19]

welcome to 8th civic. ever thought of trying out a differant dealerships service dept? seriously you cant judge Honda just because one dealer can't handle your issue.

Have fun trying to protect against HONDA

[Tsume]

Originally Posted by nayilsi

welcome to 8th

riding the clutch is bad mmkay

Hey blindo, read the other posts before you speak.

[Tsume]

Originally Posted by espinoza19

welcome to 8th civic. ever thought of trying out a differant dealerships service dept? seriously you cant judge Honda just because one dealer can't handle your issue.

Have fun trying to protect against HONDA

The only other Honda dealer around here is owned by the same people.

I will have fun denying them customers.

[carlo_amacio]

Billion Dollar Corp > You, Even if you decide to stop buying hondas for the rest of your life, thats one guy deciding to stop buying a Big Mac. GOOD LUCK

[Aldaris]

what repair have they offered you, have they changed your fluid? Rebuilt your transm?

[Tsume]

Originally Posted by carlo_amacio

Billion Dollar Corp > You, Even if you decide to stop buying hondas for the rest of your life, thats one guy deciding to stop buying a Big Mac. GOOD LUCK

Yeah and they just love it when there is a public display outside of their dealership with people persuading potential customers not to buy because the warranty is BS.

Protesting and boycotting are different, I think you got them confused.

This may also receive media attention, exponentially increasing the amount of people less likely to buy Hondas because they wont back their warranty up by fulfilling it.

I'm not saying Hondas are crap. I'm saying the 6 speed transmission is crap, and they won't admit it. They won't honor their warranty on it because they know it is a pile of sh*t, but also won't openly admit it.

You can thank me when they finally recall them and yours is replaced.

[Tsume]

Originally Posted by Aldaris

what repair have they offered you, have they changed your fluid? Rebuilt your transm?

All they offered was that ONE clutch replacement. They have not even considered rebuilding the tranny at all! On top of that, before the 10k mi mark, I've paid for 2 other clutch replacements at their direction stating it would fix the problem, and they would not cover the cost because they said I drove it irresponsibly... which I don't! Even driving irresponsibly will not cause the 3rd gear to grind in a brand new car at only 2,000mi! Do they think people are that stupid? 3 clutches at only 10,000mi?????

I'm just pissed off at them for screwing me over.

[carlo_amacio]

Originally Posted by Tsume

Yeah and they just love it when there is a public display outside of their dealership with people persuading potential customers not to buy because the warranty is BS.

Protesting and boycotting are different, I think you got them confused.

This may also receive media attention, exponentially increasing the amount of people less likely to buy Hondas because they wont back their warranty up by fulfilling it.

I'm not saying Hondas are crap. I'm saying the 6 speed transmission is crap, and they won't admit it. They won't honor their warranty on it because they know it is a pile of sh*t, but also won't openly admit it.

You can thank me when they finally recall them and yours is replaced.

Just like this guy who tried to get everyones Honda repainted due to thin paint. Admit it, you cant win. Protesting and boycotting are an illusion to make this country believe that insignificant people have a voice. Same propanganda that says "your vote counts" No it doesnt, show me one president that one by one vote and Ill belive my voice counts:
Honda paint sucks!

[Aldaris]

As far as I know theres 2 steps 1st fluid change and the transmission rebuild wtf man! call honda of america! my dealer was like we will give you a brand new transmission if the fluid change doesnt help. I had the grind as well, try a heavier knob and call honda maybe they can help

[Aldaris]

Originally Posted by carlo_amacio

Just like this guy who tried to get everyones Honda repainted due to thin paint. Admit it, you cant win. Protesting and boycotting are an illusion to make this country believe that insignificant people have a voice. Same propanganda that says "your vote counts" No it doesnt, show me one president that one by one vote and Ill belive my voice counts:
Honda paint sucks!

you know the whole paint issue is funny, imo if you keep up with waxing and caring for your car it stays fine.. 7 months in good as new for me

[Tsume]

Originally Posted by carlo_amacio

Just like this guy who tried to get everyones Honda repainted due to thin paint. Admit it, you cant win. Protesting and boycotting are an illusion to make this country believe that insignificant people have a voice. Same propanganda that says "your vote counts" No it doesnt, show me one president that one by one vote and Ill belive my voice counts:
Honda paint sucks!

This is a more serious problem.

More people will be worried about the reliability of the car than the appearance. I don't want to sound like a dick or anything but Honda left me no option. I can understand if your Honda is fine and you like it and it works great, but the fact of the matter is that an abnormally large portion of owners of the Si and other Honda cars with 6 speed transmissions are experiencing this issue and similar ones. This seems to be a defective-by-design transmission. Read how many people got it rebuilt only to get the same or worse problem; its all on this forum!

[NewbTuner]

This may sound stupid but if i was being accused of driving stupid and burning up the clutch and i wasnt after the first replacement i would have gotten one of those video camera mounts that video tapes while you drive and everytime i drove i would have been video taping it and would have made sure it showed the miles so they knew it wasnt being driven like shit with the camera turned off..

Then next time they accused me of doing the damage i would have said well here is XXXXX miles worth of video footage showing how i drive. I know it sounds like over kill but i dont think they could come up with a good enough out to deny you service.. and you know they wouldnt want to sit there and watch someone driving for hours lol.

[carlo_amacio]

Originally Posted by Tsume

This is a more serious problem.

More people will be worried about the reliability of the car than the appearance. I don't want to sound like a dick or anything but Honda left me no option. I can understand if your Honda is fine and you like it and it works great, but the fact of the matter is that an abnormally large portion of owners of the Si and other Honda cars with 6 speed transmissions are experiencing this issue and similar ones. This seems to be a defective-by-design transmission. Read how many people got it rebuilt only to get the same or worse problem; its all on this forum!

No, my honda is not fine. I have the same 3rd gear issue and thin paint that everyone complains about. You just have to find personal ways to fix it to get around it. Just like you Im not trying to be negative because if you can pull it off, My hats off to you

[Tsume]

Originally Posted by Aldaris

As far as I know theres 2 steps 1st fluid change and the transmission rebuild wtf man! call honda of america! my dealer was like we will give you a brand new transmission if the fluid change doesnt help. I had the grind as well, try a heavier knob and call honda maybe they can help

Honda of America flat out told me they never heard of the transmission problem the last time I spoke with them. I spoke with Gerald Jackson in Torrance, CA I believe.


To everyone: The main point of my protest is either to scare the dealer into making things right like they should have in the first place instead of trying to shaft me on my new car, or give that dealer and Honda in general for not disowning that dealer a horribly negative media image, at least locally. I've spoken with FOX 6 here already.

[Tsume]

Originally Posted by NewbTuner

This may sound stupid but if i was being accused of driving stupid and burning up the clutch and i wasnt after the first replacement i would have gotten one of those video camera mounts that video tapes while you drive and everytime i drove i would have been video taping it and would have made sure it showed the miles so they knew it wasnt being driven like shit with the camera turned off..

Then next time they accused me of doing the damage i would have said well here is XXXXX miles worth of video footage showing how i drive. I know it sounds like over kill but i dont think they could come up with a good enough out to deny you service.. and you know they wouldnt want to sit there and watch someone driving for hours lol.

That's a good idea! However, I doubt the Honda dealer would reimburse me for the expense of that camera after they were proven wrong. They are really nickel and diming it here.

[Tsume]

Originally Posted by carlo_amacio

No, my honda is not fine. I have the same 3rd gear issue and thin paint that everyone complains about. You just have to find personal ways to fix it to get around it. Just like you Im not trying to be negative because if you can pull it off, My hats off to you

I'll keep you posted and if you had to fix it yourself they owe you money, even if you never see it. They still owe you. Steal a bunch of the free water bottles in their lobby for a year to make it back.

[pd0019]

Originally Posted by NewbTuner

This may sound stupid but if i was being accused of driving stupid and burning up the clutch and i wasnt after the first replacement i would have gotten one of those video camera mounts that video tapes while you drive and everytime i drove i would have been video taping it and would have made sure it showed the miles so they knew it wasnt being driven like shit with the camera turned off..

Then next time they accused me of doing the damage i would have said well here is XXXXX miles worth of video footage showing how i drive. I know it sounds like over kill but i dont think they could come up with a good enough out to deny you service.. and you know they wouldnt want to sit there and watch someone driving for hours lol.

^i agree. take a video, the more recording time the better, and show that to honda. you really have no evidence to back yourself up. first assumption anyone makes when there is a clutch/tranny issue is that you've been riding your clutch and driving hard. take the video and show it to honda. if they still refuse then maybe consider other options.

however, if you decide to do this...good luck! be sure to mention the horrible paint .

[pd0019]

Originally Posted by Tsume

That's a good idea! However, I doubt the Honda dealer would reimburse me for the expense of that camera after they were proven wrong. They are really nickel and diming it here.

of course they are, they are a corporation out to make money. they wouldnt fix my spoiler that was literally coming off until i filed a complaint with the regional district service manager. after going to the dealership 3 times for it...each time it got progressively worst. i had pics though.

why would they pay for your camera?