Honda 6 Speed Manual Dilemma - Article

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by FusionSi11

well i bought my Si at motorwerks back in 05 so hopefully you (blueice) can help me with my 3rd gear notch when the TSB comes up. Dezoris, once the TSB goes out, hopefully you can provide us a list of dealeships that won't be a-holes reggarding this issue.

my other question is...my car aleady has 45k miles on it so its obvious that its out of warranty. however, being it a TSB, is my car still covered? will i have to pay anything extra or will i be taken care of the same way as a customer thats still has warranty on their car.

They will likely cover it. Once the TSB is out you can have one of the dealers contact Honda about good will coverage.

I will be able to provide you with a list as well.

[Si_Sedan_Fan]

From what I've seen and expierenced in my si it's not popping out of 3rd. It's not going in all the way and it grinds and pops the shifter back when you let the clutch out. It's the notch that is doing it. Syncros's ? Linkage? I dont know but some guys have told me that after doing the short shifter and bushings the notch has gone away. I havent done it in a while because everytime I shift into 3rd I'm careful. It pisses me off because you shouldnt have to be that mindful about shifting into 3rd on a brand new car. Just today I cursed out the tranny cause I had to delay letting the clutch out because I didnt get past the first notch shifting into 3rd.

[Nychus]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

They are fixing it.

Really? You got proof of this?
I have been told this is NOT going to be fixed by just about every Honda Dealer, mech and tech i have talked to. It's an old problem and hasn't caused any accidents or substantial damage. Just pisses people off. And if you are gonna drop $23k on a plastic ass civic you most likely will tollerate the BS gear box. Most people will not get enough damage to warrant replacements. The rest will get maybe a few things fixed before warranty. People buying a Honda used will most likely tollerate it or get Hosed when they bring it in to get fixed just to be told, $1800 please for parts and labor. Just to have the shit happen again in 5-10k miles. That kind of situation is GREAT for Honda. $$$ My friend just bought a '03 6 speed accord coupe. 50k miles,.. drove it for a week. 3rd gear grinds and pops... took it to a friend that works for acura racing out of watkins glen ny. new 3rd and 4th gears and syncros. Bullll Shiiiiiiittt!!! The 80's and 90's are over. Hondas are now just fun to drive, and look cool. They aren't survivors like they were.

I love my SI for what it is. A fast, fussy slut who pleases me when I muscle her, and who drives sweet when i baby her. And just like a slut, her finish is thin and she looks better when i take the bra off.

[Special Ringpop]

Well, some of you may be okay getting a subpar vehicle from a rich company.

I am not, and I want Honda to fix their mistake and own up to it. I didn't buy a Honda for a screwed up transmission, and there's a good chance I'll be done with Honda forever after this, just based on the way having this Civic has been for me, and my treatment from Honda of American and the dealerships.

[mattsbobo]

[blueice1984]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I have talked with Brian and Ed in Honda service at Motorwerks several times about this.

For most dealers it is simple. They will not go out of their way to investigate an issue. They want it to come up on their system in 5 seconds when they do a search for the TSB or the problem does not exist.

All of these guys have access to a local service rep and tech line.
Getting them to call is like asking God to talk to you sometimes.

Very Very True!(ed and brian are good guys) But MotorWerks has people lined up all day with warranty issues(with TSB's),oil changes, and general repairs. They don't have time to call Honda/service reps and investigate problems cause they will give them the same excuses the dealer gives you. You Will have to call Honda yourself and get them to approve the warranty work on gears/syncros. Then they will be glad to do the pre-approved work, otherwise it is not worth their time. It sucks, but thats how most big dealerships work. It's all about the $$$$$$

[blueice1984]

Originally Posted by FusionSi11

well i bought my Si at motorwerks back in 05 so hopefully you (blueice) can help me with my 3rd gear notch when the TSB comes up. Dezoris, once the TSB goes out, hopefully you can provide us a list of dealeships that won't be a-holes reggarding this issue.

my other question is...my car aleady has 45k miles on it so its obvious that its out of warranty. however, being it a TSB, is my car still covered? will i have to pay anything extra or will i be taken care of the same way as a customer thats still has warranty on their car.

Depending on the TSB(it will state weather or not out of warranty cars are covered) I constantly check for TSB's on our cars, but all are for the 06's and have been posted on this site already.

Right now I'm fighting with my pops(service director) to get a mechanic to do the 06 reflash for the rev hang on my 07. IT'S LIKE PULLING TEETH!
But I work here so I know how it is. Busy,Busy,Busy,Money,Money,Money

[blueice1984]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

Well, some of you may be okay getting a subpar vehicle from a rich company.

I am not, and I want Honda to fix their mistake and own up to it. I didn't buy a Honda for a screwed up transmission, and there's a good chance I'll be done with Honda forever after this, just based on the way having this Civic has been for me, and my treatment from Honda of American and the dealerships.

Well, This gear problem is also on 02-05 MT honda's. Have they put out a TSB for it? I don't think so. I feel they will never put one out for our cars either.

Well, sell your car and be done with honda. Trust me, you won't be missed!

[blueice1984]

Also, So many people on here bitch about the quality of the si's interior/tranny. It's a $20,000 car!

You guys are lucky you didn't buy a $80,000+ mercedes. Mercedes have 10x
more problems than Honda's, and are 10x more to get fixed!

Honda is still at the top of the list for being most reliable cars, and the highest resale value!

[Orbit1]

Originally Posted by Nychus

Really? You got proof of this?
I have been told this is NOT going to be fixed by just about every Honda Dealer, mech and tech i have talked to. It's an old problem and hasn't caused any accidents or substantial damage. Just pisses people off. And if you are gonna drop $23k on a plastic ass civic you most likely will tollerate the BS gear box. Most people will not get enough damage to warrant replacements. The rest will get maybe a few things fixed before warranty. People buying a Honda used will most likely tollerate it or get Hosed when they bring it in to get fixed just to be told, $1800 please for parts and labor. Just to have the shit happen again in 5-10k miles. That kind of situation is GREAT for Honda. $$$ My friend just bought a '03 6 speed accord coupe. 50k miles,.. drove it for a week. 3rd gear grinds and pops... took it to a friend that works for acura racing out of watkins glen ny. new 3rd and 4th gears and syncros. Bullll Shiiiiiiittt!!! The 80's and 90's are over. Hondas are now just fun to drive, and look cool. They aren't survivors like they were.

I love my SI for what it is. A fast, fussy slut who pleases me when I muscle her, and who drives sweet when i baby her. And just like a slut, her finish is thin and she looks better when i take the bra off.

hahahahaha
+1
That was epic.

[moxom]

WOW! I just watched the two videos and I can't believe that you folks are putting up with this sh*t. Honda or not this is a badly designed or built tranny and Honda needs to do something about. I wouldn't be surprised if the gear popping and grinding leads to premature wear and tear.

I think that a bunch of you guys should get together and bring this to the press or media; only then will Honda take action.

[blueice1984]

Originally Posted by moxom

WOW! I just watched the two videos and I can't believe that you folks are putting up with this sh*t. Honda or not this is a badly designed or built tranny and Honda needs to do something about. I wouldn't be surprised if the gear popping and grinding leads to premature wear and tear.

I think that a bunch of you guys should get together and bring this to the press or media; only then will Honda take action.

People have to stop pointing fingers at the dealership and bashing them for not wasting their time and money fixing something that Honda does not consider an issue.

[Seemund]

Well... I also have problems with the 3rd gear..
but when I engage it, I can feel, "it's not all the way in". I'm not saying I'm smarter..
Just pay attention when you engage 3rd gear.

[Orbit1]

Why pay $20k for something that you just have to "deal with"??
eff that.

[Brivis]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

I have talked with Brian and Ed in Honda service at Motorwerks several times about this.

For most dealers it is simple. They will not go out of their way to investigate an issue. They want it to come up on their system in 5 seconds when they do a search for the TSB or the problem does not exist.

All of these guys have access to a local service rep and tech line.
Getting them to call is like asking God to talk to you sometimes.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by Nychus

Really? You got proof of this?

Yeah God spoke to me last night and told me to publish this article, to give Si owners false hopes and that they would find faith in Jesus.

I will be posting my sources by Monday.
Right now the information has come from tech lines and dealer reps.

I have several service managers who confirmed this.
In addition I was on a call with a trans specialist who has been doing 3rd gear set replacements on Si's and Accord 6SP transmissions with their field rep who provided the information.

I also have a district manager for the field reps who will be providing me further information soon.

If you'd like to consider it a very strong rumor still go ahead I don't blame you.
Until there is a TSB with mechanical fix it does not matter much.

[Dezoris]

Originally Posted by Seemund

Well... I also have problems with the 3rd gear..
but when I engage it, I can feel, "it's not all the way in". I'm not saying I'm smarter..
Just pay attention when you engage 3rd gear.

That is certainly a work around.
Also you could leave the car in neutral longer and delay the shift into 3rd an extra 1-2 seconds just to make sure the gear will engage.

How about avoiding 3rd gear and skipping to 4th?
That will work for a while until you wear down the 4th gear synchro though.
Thats why these 6 speed vehicles have 6 gears. More choices for gears when one or two don't work right.

Thats clever engineering.

Obviously I am being a smart ass. 3rd gear like any gear should engage smoothly without any change in shifting effort every shift.

Thats the bottom line.

[Special Ringpop]

Originally Posted by blueice1984

Well, sell your car and be done with honda. Trust me, you won't be missed!

That was uncalled for. I'll let it slide this time. I suggest getting more of a reputation around here before making broad generalizations such as that against a respected user.

I don't care if the car was $13,000 or $100,000, I expect the transmission to operate without question or flaw. I have never been so disappointed in my life. I really feel let down by Honda. I gave up [in retrospect, reliable] domestic vehicles to get into a Honda expecting something better, and in the end, I'm left with a vehicle that has sent me to the dealer more times than all three of my used cars prior combined, with a transmission issue. The price is a moot point and I'm tired of people blindly defending Honda by using that as justification for questionable quality when the cheaper Fit outdoes it.

[Special Ringpop]

Originally Posted by Dezoris

Obviously I am being a smart ass. 3rd gear like any gear should engage smoothly without any change in shifting effort every shift.

Thats the bottom line.

omg no wai. honduh is l33t! it msut be driver error!1!!!1

wut do u xpect? its only a 20k car!1

Boy do I get tired of hearing that. I wish common sense could be introduced to the gene pool pretty soon.

[Orbit1]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

Boy do I get tired of hearing that. I wish common sense could be introduced to the gene pool pretty soon.

I'd prefer bleach...