PROOF Honda recognizes the 2nd gear grind as a mechanical problem, not driver error

[I Vtec, do you?]

I actually got this a while ago, but after seeing several times lately people saying "2nd gear is driver error" I decided to post this up.

A while ago when I went in to complain about 2nd gear, they took it out and found that it DOES grind when shifted at high rpms. After they addressed the issue they told me to just keep driving it and if the problem gets worse, to bring it back. Normally this would piss me off, but now that I have written documentation that there is a problem, any problems that crop up in the future with my tranny will result in this paper being shoved in their faces.



So yes, all of you who preached that 2nd gear was a driver error can either accept that it isn't, or blame the two techs for having shitty manual driving skills. Your choice.

I just had to post this up so people will stop saying 'learn to shift'. It gets annoying

[anavrin351]

i think the driver error gear is 3rd. the 2nd gear grind went away with mine, or atleast i haven't noticed it in a while

[I Vtec, do you?]

I think 3rd gear couldn't even possibly be driver error.. mine has become very hard to actually push it into gear. I'm not sure what the driver could do wrong to make it like this.. 2nd gear I could maybe understand, but when two techs recognize the problem, then I'm with them.

[portabuddy]

I'll Take A Pic Of Mine For 3rd When I Get Home In 30 Min...

[dualdiagnosis]

I'm going to play devil's advocate so please don't get upset. I posted a while ago about 2nd gear grinding at high rpms also. I do not grind anymore shifting into 2nd from 8300 rpms. You have to be firm with your shifts and slow down a little bit. IMHO, just because 2 techs said they experienced the grinding, does not automatically mean they know how to drive stick or to properly shift from that high of an rpm. But, it is possible that you have a defective transmission. However, this does not prove that Honda recognizes this as a problem (your dealership recognizes your car having a problem). Good luck though

[mattsbobo]

So is this bulletin about 2nd, or 3rd? I would think the 3rd gear problem is WAAAAAAAYYYYY more prevalent.

[I Vtec, do you?]

Originally Posted by dualdiagnosis

I'm going to play devil's advocate so please don't get upset. I posted a while ago about 2nd gear grinding at high rpms also. I do not grind anymore shifting into 2nd from 8300 rpms. You have to be firm with your shifts and slow down a little bit. IMHO, just because 2 techs said they experienced the grinding, does not automatically mean they know how to drive stick or to properly shift from that high of an rpm. But, it is possible that you have a defective transmission. However, this does not prove that Honda recognizes this as a problem (your dealership recognizes your car having a problem). Good luck though

Each Honda dealership represents Honda.

Slowing down shifts and whatnot is irrelevant. I don't bang it into gear as quickly as possible. I just shift at high RPMs, which I beleive is the only reason I picked the more expensive Civic SI over, say, a cobalt or ion rl. Literally, the only reason I chose the SI over its competitors was because it was a high revver.

[portabuddy]

ok as promised, here is a pic of my invoice that i got reprinted om monday since i lost my old one, but this one has a pats list on it and the old one didnt...






this just proves that the dealersip found a problem with my car and fixed it nothing more but good luck...

[dualdiagnosis]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

Each Honda dealership represents Honda.

Slowing down shifts and whatnot is irrelevant. I don't bang it into gear as quickly as possible. I just shift at high RPMs, which I beleive is the only reason I picked the more expensive Civic SI over, say, a cobalt or ion rl. Literally, the only reason I chose the SI over its competitors was because it was a high revver.

It is not irrelevant. Answer this for me: How come I do not grind anymore shifting from 8300 rpms to 2nd gear? I have grinded 2nd before shifting too fast. It does not happen anymore. Did my tranny all of the sudden fix itself??

Just because two "techs" at a Honda Dealership "said so" does not automatically give them adequate credentials.

[portabuddy]

well how many times have you done it since, sometimes the conditions have to ber perfect, IE. road speed and engine speed for things not to mesh and engage...

[dualdiagnosis]

I do not grind 2nd gear anymore as stated in the above post. I am also running Honda MTF.

[portabuddy]

well i would wait about 4000-5000 miles and then see if you can still say that...

the fluid breaks down and your going to grind again, chainging the MTF is not a be-all-end-all fix, its to get you outside the warranty range so they dont have to deal with it. dont be fooled.

[dualdiagnosis]

Originally Posted by portabuddy

well i would wait about 4000-5000 miles and then see if you can still say that...

the fluid breaks down and your going to grind again, chainging the MTF is not a be-all-end-all fix, its to get you outside the warranty range so they dont have to deal with it. dont be fooled.

Ok dude, whatever satisfies your argument. When my transmission grinded I had about 1000 miles on the car. Why does it not do it now?

[portabuddy]

well i guess that the fluid did help then... thats odd also???


when i picked up my car it took about 8000mi for the problems to start, but for the first year it was buttery smooth, i was so impressed... it was awsome, like A FREAKING NEW CAR SHOULD BE , none of this not engaging, notchy, and popping out crap.


I wish you luck and i gope that you never have a problem again, i really do.

[bizzybearfigiblue]

i'm gonna say here that 2nd gear IS driver error... i've done it tons of times in the past... i even thought there was something wrong with 2nd but after i LEARNED to shift on THIS car i don't have the problem as much... i'm not gonna say ever b/c i still do grind 2nd... but it's mainly b/c of me...

like dualdiagnosis mentioned u just have to slow the shifting w/2nd gear... everything else u can bang tho

[dualdiagnosis]

Originally Posted by portabuddy

well i guess that the fluid did help then... thats odd also???


when i picked up my car it took about 8000mi for the problems to start, but for the first year it was buttery smooth, i was so impressed... it was awsome, like A FREAKING NEW CAR SHOULD BE , none of this not engaging, notchy, and popping out crap.


I wish you luck and i gope that you never have a problem again, i really do.

I have the factory fluid in it still. No change of fluid as stated in an above post. If it was the transmission and not driver error, than I would be grinding still today. Transmissions can't fix themselves.

[I Vtec, do you?]

Originally Posted by dualdiagnosis

It is not irrelevant. Answer this for me: How come I do not grind anymore shifting from 8300 rpms to 2nd gear? I have grinded 2nd before shifting too fast. It does not happen anymore. Did my tranny all of the sudden fix itself??

Just because two "techs" at a Honda Dealership "said so" does not automatically give them adequate credentials.

It is irrelevant, if you had read my post you would've seen why I don't shift quickly, just at high RPMs. It shouldn't grind at ALL, no matter how I shift, as long as the clutch is in and properly shifted.

Maybe you can answer me this - how are you shifting at 8300 RPMs?

[portabuddy]

im actuly going to agree with dualdiagnosis and bizzybearfigiblue, i almost never take it up to 8300 in 2nd but more like 7800-8000 but i do remember that when trying to quickly slam it imto gear it didnt like it and went TSSSSSK but this was powershifting with my foot on the throttle but when done slower it didnt reject and grind. i think its a matter of allowing it to mesh..


"Granny shifting, not double clutching like you should..."

in this case you should be grabby shifting... lol

[Aldaris]

I have had my 3rd gear pop out a few times, but second gear never.
We can never dismiss the fact that his particular transmission might be bad. not a common issue i think

[portabuddy]

^^^ well my 4th pops out but no one elses seems to?, its a shit tranny...