PROOF Honda recognizes the 2nd gear grind as a mechanical problem, not driver error

[ErichPryde]

second gear pops out on you? it never has on me. it's rejected when I have shifted at the rev limiter.

3rd used to pop out before I changed the fluid. I think the issue was because of the fluid being used and the fact that my transmission was overfilled.

i haven't experienced problems in second. so far, this debate seems to be going a bit of both ways, with some people saying the transmission is to blame and some saying it's driver error/not the transmission's fault.
from MY experience, this problem only occurs when I know that I made a mistake. so at the very least, I don't think my transmission is to blame.

[bizzybearfigiblue]

these videos i just shot less than 5 mins ago to show that there are no issues with second gear... sorry for the crappy angles i was the only person in the car and it was kinda hard to hold it...

i'm not saying there's something wrong with yours or not... i'm just showing there's nothing wrong with mine...


VIDEOS
here's the view looking at the shifter... YouTube - 2006 FBP Si 1st - 2nd shift
&
the other with the view looking at the tach... YouTube - 2006 FBP Si 1st - 2nd shift (tach)


shifter view of how NOT to shift to 2nd gear... YouTube - 2006 FBP Si 1st - 2nd shift (grind)

tach view of how NOT to shift to 2nd gear... FAILED ... it failed to load 2 times already... i'll try it again l8r...

[galaxygrey13]

dont do it ring pop, dont bring out your list. lol. 52k miles and ever since i changed to amsoil never had a grind. 2nd i do grind when i decide to shift at 8600 rpm quickly but if i let it come down a little bit and then shift it goes in like 5 minutes of foreplay.....smooth

[Special Ringpop]

All right, I'll withhold the list because you asked .

I'm curious to see the percentage of people who have transmission issues that live in warmer climates compared to those of us in colder climates. Even though it happens with me when the car is warm and the climate is warm, I definitely notice it happens more than usual in the cold.

[soxfan]

I can only speak from personal experience, but there is definitely something wrong with third gear on my car. I don't get the grinding that often, but it almost always happens when I am at half throttle, not in vtec. I agree that there are inexperienced drivers who are not used to manuals or cars that rev as high as these (Civis are not Camaros), but I have been driving manuals for 18 years. I owned a 98 Prelude: no tranny problems. I owned a 00 Celica GTS: not tranny problems. Both of those cars have similar engines to the Si.

I recently had my tranny fluid changed and I left the dealership feeling pretty confident. Just this week on my way to work shifting into third gently (like always) at about 4500 rpm, I get the grinding.

Anyone who hasn't had the grinding problem in 3rd IMO is just lucky.

[udumkid]

Originally Posted by bizzybearfigiblue

these videos i just shot less than 5 mins ago to show that there are no issues with second gear... sorry for the crappy angles i was the only person in the car and it was kinda hard to hold it...

i ran out of space on the camera so i'll shoot the wrong way to shift as well as soon as i get these up...

VIDEOS
here's the view looking at the shifter... YouTube - 2006 FBP Si 1st - 2nd shift
&
the other with the view looking at the tach... YouTube - 2006 FBP Si 1st - 2nd shift (tach)

i'm going to get the shot now of how not to shift to second... brb...

wth, you grew out your hair?

[bizzybearfigiblue]

Originally Posted by udumkid

wth, you grew out your hair?

yep... just a little bit

Originally Posted by bizzybearfigiblue

these videos i just shot less than 5 mins ago to show that there are no issues with second gear... sorry for the crappy angles i was the only person in the car and it was kinda hard to hold it...

i ran out of space on the camera so i'll shoot the wrong way to shift as well as soon as i get these up...

VIDEOS
here's the view looking at the shifter... YouTube - 2006 FBP Si 1st - 2nd shift
&
the other with the view looking at the tach... YouTube - 2006 FBP Si 1st - 2nd shift (tach)


shifter view of how NOT to shift to 2nd gear... YouTube - 2006 FBP Si 1st - 2nd shift (grind)

tach view of how NOT to shift to 2nd gear... FAILED ... it failed to load 2 times already... i'll try it again l8r...

uploaded another one for everyone...

[udumkid]

Originally Posted by bizzybearfigiblue

yep... just a little bit



uploaded another one for everyone...

Thanks for going out of your way video taping shifts, On the last video you show the grind problem I bet thats whats happening to the people that complaint about 2nd gear problems.

[I Vtec, do you?]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

All right, I'll withhold the list because you asked .

I'm curious to see the percentage of people who have transmission issues that live in warmer climates compared to those of us in colder climates. Even though it happens with me when the car is warm and the climate is warm, I definitely notice it happens more than usual in the cold.

I wouldn't doubt it. I never really had too many problems with 3rd gear until recently, where it has become somewhat difficult to push it into gear.\

@ Bizzy, I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with those vids.. both the vids showing your shifting looked the exact same to me. And on that note, you push it into gear a lot quicker than I do.

[udumkid]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

@ Bizzy, I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with those vids.. both the vids showing your shifting looked the exact same to me. And on that note, you push it into gear a lot quicker than I do.

Originally Posted by bizzybearfigiblue

shifter view of how NOT to shift to 2nd gear... YouTube - 2006 FBP Si 1st - 2nd shift (grind)

[portabuddy]

WTF???? did you install a start buton? on the left side right behind the indicator????

[bizzybearfigiblue]

Originally Posted by I Vtec, do you?

@ Bizzy, I'm not sure what you were trying to accomplish with those vids.. both the vids showing your shifting looked the exact same to me. And on that note, you push it into gear a lot quicker than I do.

i was trying to show how to shift 2nd gear for those who don't know how to shift it...

the first two videos like i mentioned on that post was a CLEAN shift... the 3rd video was the how NOT to shift... u didn't hear the grind b/c the camera was low... but u heard/saw me mis shift...

the rpms video was showing what to shift at w/o grinding... i had a problem uploading the dash view mis shift... but it showed the rpms going past 8k which u cannot do on these cars...


ohh and btw my clutch is going bad and i can still get second gear with ease...

Originally Posted by portabuddy

WTF???? did you install a start buton? on the left side right behind the indicator????

yes i did... but i never got the plug to wire it to the ignition... so for right now it's just for looks...

two quick pix... any questions about it pm me...

[portabuddy]

+1 for a big red sexy button, im gonna install one now...

[aki]

Man these "lol there iz no 3rd gear grind cuz imma leet shifter!" posts never die.

My third gear grinded. Honda tech replicated the problem (guess he sucks at shifting too). Honda replaced syncromesh under warranty (because they like spending $1500 for an unnecessary job). Following the fix I get ZERO 3rd gear grinds (guess the placebo effect of that repair job was awesome).

[e60.deluxe]

i used to get a sharp kick back (into neutral) from the shifter and a "whirr" noise in 2nd at high RPM when i first got the car (i suppose it could be describes as a grinding noise). i havent dont that in forever.

third is a little bit tricky when cold, but i can feel when its not gonna go in, and i wait for the RPMs to drop to the proper amount and it slides in like butter. never a problem once the car is warmed up. actually when double clutching, third is by far the easiest gear to get into. in third gear i definetly feel its the synchro and not the gear itself.

the shift knob that comes on the Civic Si is about 240 grams. i know that alot of you like to go and get 400 and 500gram shift knobs, but a typical shift knob from a typical car is probably 60-80grams, 100on the high end. the stock knob is quite heavy it its own right, and what happens is that you loose the feedback from the transmission. i would reccomend that some of you switch to a light knob and see if you can get used to putting it in the gear and then switch back to however a heavy one you like.

[portabuddy]

Originally Posted by aki

Man these "lol there iz no 3rd gear grind cuz imma leet shifter!" posts never die.

My third gear grinded. Honda tech replicated the problem (guess he sucks at shifting too). Honda replaced syncromesh under warranty (because they like spending $1500 for an unnecessary job). Following the fix I get ZERO 3rd gear grinds (guess the placebo effect of that repair job was awesome).

same exact thing happened to me only one of the mechanics messed up and its at honda again cuz im to dumb to get it into 4th, but 2nd is differant...

[ErichPryde]

Originally Posted by aki

Man these "lol there iz no 3rd gear grind cuz imma leet shifter!" posts never die.

My third gear grinded. Honda tech replicated the problem (guess he sucks at shifting too). Honda replaced syncromesh under warranty (because they like spending $1500 for an unnecessary job). Following the fix I get ZERO 3rd gear grinds (guess the placebo effect of that repair job was awesome).

the only problem with your whole post is that this is not a "there iz no 3rd geer grynd cuz imma 1337 sheefter." post. this is a "the problem you are having with second is most likely your own fault" post.


I'm not sure of the number of people who believe there isn't a problem in third, but that's not what this thread is about.

[nayilsi]

i missed 2nd ENTIRELY LAST NIGHT.....

[aki]

Originally Posted by ErichPryde

I'm not sure of the number of people who believe there isn't a problem in third, but that's not what this thread is about.

My point is Honda Soichiro could rise from the dead, appear to all of 8thgen and confirm it's a problem but there will still be naysayers.

When it comes down to it, the people who deny any issues are basing it off their own personal experience. IE, "I don't experience it and therefore nobody else should." It's a horrible line of reasoning.

I don't personally experience 2nd gear grinding. Every once in awhile it makes a grinding noise when I shift quick, but everytime I think it's just me screwing up. That doesn't mean my experience should speak for everyone else. To think it should would be highly presumptuous.

[Special Ringpop]

^ I wish more people thought that like.

I seriously want to beat the hell out of anyone who says "I have never grinded/popped out of gear, and no offense, but I seriously think it is driver error."

Go look at the 100+ person list on this forum of people who have transmission issues (almost all 3rd related), and the slew of people on RSX-S forums and other Si forums.