Civic Si TRANS problems PETITION

[sirgatti]

Just signed...

I'm guessing that a lot of the problem is because there really isn't enough Si's out for Honda to really give a shit...

There just aren't enough of our cars on the road for Honda to think...

"Oh damn... If we don't do a recall, our reputation as a "reliable" Automobile Manufacturing company might get ruined!!!"

It reminds me of the scene in Fight Club when Edward Norton is explaining how he works for a car company:

"A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

Granted... our cars grinding while going into 3rd probably won't get anyone killed haha, but you get the point...

[Nychus]

I have talked this over with not only a HONDA AMERICA TECH and my local service guys. The Si has a crappy conical carbon fiber syncro and it creates a 2 stage shift from 2nd to third. So if you don't feel that 2nd bump in your shifting, you are NOT engaged. A Manual transmission modifer additive can be put into your tranny fluid, or you can use that AMsoil shit that has the modifiers already in it. This will help the issue, NOT solve it. I guess from what i have heard this is an old problem that has haunted Acura Integras for years. Good luck getting honda to fix it.

[07 NBP Si sedan]

Originally Posted by SOLO8thGenSi

469th signature on the site. :)

cant believe there's barely even 600 signatures so far.... seems AWFULLY low considering this problem is inherent in EVERY single one of my friends Si's from 6thGen onwards & including anything with a K20 tranny (ex. RSX)

NOT alot of people think about checking forums or even have the internet.

I know many people who would never think about this. I bet thousands have

this problem. But remember the Si is a more limited production car. With my

2007 Civic Si sedan very hard to get into 3rd gear, and many times grinding

occurs, plus the REV-HANG BULLSHIT, I am PISSED !!! Should of kept my

EXPENSIVE 2007 Acura TL Type-S.

[07 NBP Si sedan]

Write up a new very well written petition and we all re-sign. Be specific and add year

and model and VIN # Then send it ALL OVER. To magazines, news, Honda, etc. The News

also loves this stuff. How about J.D. Power & Assoc. GO FOR IT. I am sick of this crap

tranny that everybody says is SO SMOOTH in testing. 2007 Civic Si sedan, black/NBP.

[sirgatti]

If just talking to Honda Mechanics doesn't work, someone might as well try to publicize (sp?) it to a magazine or something. What's the worst that could happen?

[07 NBP Si sedan]

Thats exactly what I said in post #124. We need to e-mail ALL magazines, news, J.D Power & Assoc, etc. etc. But not 1 person, eveybody with problems NEEDS to get BUSY NOW. I am in the process of doing just that.....GET BUSY PEOPLE!!!

[07 NBP Si sedan]

I would like to know who Bill is that signed the petition #764. That says there is no

problem that young punks need to learn how to drive. HEY BUDDY, I am 45 and have

driven and owned several manuals. I use to race my 1971 Chevelle LT-1 with a 4 speed

Muncie M-22 with a Hurst Competition plus IN THE EARLY 80's. I have NEVER had a

problem like this. THERE IS A PROBLEM. If you don't have a problem BILL, you are lucky.

NO GO AWAY. Don't insult people the DO KNOW HOW TO SHIFT. Thankyou, JEFF D.

[Si-aficionado]

subscribed..

I agree with Jeff, the online petition is not bad but it seemed to general on the first posts. Plus, many of the signatures do not include the year and model of the cars. We need an eloquent letter certified and stating the problems of the 8th civic tranny specifically, signed by all of us and sending that all over the news. It may take some time, but I'm sure some one at CNN, msnbc, FOX news or where ever the hell we send it, will eventually say, Hey! I can probably become famous if I publish this..

[JackBauer]

#773 here.

[buurner]

Originally Posted by Nychus

I have talked this over with not only a HONDA AMERICA TECH and my local service guys. The Si has a crappy conical carbon fiber syncro and it creates a 2 stage shift from 2nd to third. So if you don't feel that 2nd bump in your shifting, you are NOT engaged. A Manual transmission modifer additive can be put into your tranny fluid, or you can use that AMsoil shit that has the modifiers already in it. This will help the issue, NOT solve it. I guess from what i have heard this is an old problem that has haunted Acura Integras for years. Good luck getting honda to fix it.

Hell I know exactly what you mean, today I was oulling out in traffic and had to zip in...I went for 2nd GRIND!!! I was like WTF? So I hard lanched it again and this time slowed down my shifting Viola no grind. My k series Accord did it in 4th.

[vtloki]

Number 779 here. I put in model info. 2007 4dr Civic SI. i agree with the 2 bump engagement problem from 2nd to 3rd. That is the problem. And if it doesn't go all the way in, and you release the clutch, it either grinds, or pops out.

[Starmartyr]

here's a question, is this all civic's 06+? the 5spd and 6spd are different trannys and the 6spd in the si with the 2.0L is the same powertrain as an RSX. Do the rsx's have this problem too?? how about the 5spd with the other engines? i slam my si into 3rd to avoid this but i'm sure it won't get better. i knew about this problem before i bought it, but i liked the car. being in the transmission industry doesn't hurt, i can always get it fixed i guess.

[Nychus]

Originally Posted by sirgatti

Just signed...

I'm guessing that a lot of the problem is because there really isn't enough Si's out for Honda to really give a shit...

There just aren't enough of our cars on the road for Honda to think...

"Oh damn... If we don't do a recall, our reputation as a "reliable" Automobile Manufacturing company might get ruined!!!"

It reminds me of the scene in Fight Club when Edward Norton is explaining how he works for a car company:

"A new car built by my company leaves somewhere traveling at 60 mph. The rear differential locks up. The car crashes and burns with everyone trapped inside. Now, should we initiate a recall? Take the number of vehicles in the field, A, multiply by the probable rate of failure, B, multiply by the average out-of-court settlement, C. A times B times C equals X. If X is less than the cost of a recall, we don't do one."

Granted... our cars grinding while going into 3rd probably won't get anyone killed haha, but you get the point...

Brave? Heartless? Do what an Acura Mechanic told me to do. Let the Sonofabitch pop out, grind, and bang when i has a dodgey shift. After 3000 miles of that kind of abuse take it in and get all new related parts that are damaged. Then do it again, and again till 36,000 miles... then buy another car.

I couldn't believe it when he told me that. I can't bring my self to do it. I just baby the shit out of it. I have had only ONE time did it pop out of gear. that was enough. scared the !@#$% out of me.

[SIxShifts]

i signed this because i did have a problem with 3rd gear at around 1700 miles, but then when i hit hit the 10,000 mark it somehow magically went away

[a1rfreshener]

i signed boys....we needa set honda back to its old rep.

[Chader]

Originally Posted by Starmartyr

here's a question, is this all civic's 06+? the 5spd and 6spd are different trannys and the 6spd in the si with the 2.0L is the same powertrain as an RSX. Do the rsx's have this problem too?? how about the 5spd with the other engines? i slam my si into 3rd to avoid this but i'm sure it won't get better. i knew about this problem before i bought it, but i liked the car. being in the transmission industry doesn't hurt, i can always get it fixed i guess.

I have the same question. Anybody here know?

[BigBird271]

#823

Any word on a fix yet?

[froi]

Signed
#830

[Freq18hz]

Look,

Magazines already know about it, read car and driver's (or road and track's, can't remember which one's) long term test on the SI. The factory knows about it. Consumer reports knows about it.

GET OVER IT ALREADY.


I had this same problem on my '05 Acura RSX-S. Integra's, Civic's have been having this problem for a long time.


The reason why honda doesn't care, is that it is just a feel issue. The triple cone syncros exist on 2nd and 3rd for two reasons.

1. Durability

2. To make sure your transmission doesn't allow you to easily mis-shift into the wrong gear, because the syncros are worn.


Now I know I know, everyone is going to say "but when the grind happens, it sometimes pops out, and I do mis-shift."

I am aware of that but try driving a car with a MISSING syncro, without double clutching you think you are dropping it into 6th, but its actually second, and you CANNOT FEEL it. = Valve/Piston contact and a blown motor.

Although the grind is not ideal, it is necessary for this particular gear box design to function properly, due to its extremely close ratio gears.

It is an _extremely_ durable design.

REST ASSURED, your gear box will last HUNDREDS of thousands of miles.

Not a single RSX owner, including myself has reported any transmission failures due to this issue. And believe me, my grind problem was MUCH worse than any SI I have seen, including my own.


So I know it sucks, but you didn't buy a BMW, or a Ferrari. Honda doesn't care if your transmission feels perfect for the next 50,000 miles...

They care that your transmission WORKS for the next 300,000 miles.


END OF DEBATE

If you want a perfect feeling car, buy a Porsche or a BMW and STFU.
But get ready for a 50,000-100,000 mile car, with insanely expensive repairs.

My '05 3 series BMW never had a single issue with the tranny or the clutch. Even after 50k miles the clutch and gearbox felt brand new.

Too bad the car started shutting off on the freeway, and couldn't be restarted until it sat for awhile. You think a gear grind is bad, try stopping a 3600 lb car without power brakes at 70MPH at night, with no headlights.

STOP COMPLAINING.

-Freq

[qe2007]

Hey,

I'm fairly new to this forum and according to this blog...there is a fix scheduled and Honda is aware. As with any major problem...it takes time to engineer and manufacture a fix...

Check out the comments in this blog-

Long-Term Road Tests - 2006 Honda Civic Si: Popping Out of 3rd Gear

On a side note, a co-worker of mine has an 06 TL with the exact same issue so maybe in addition, Honda is gearing up for the media response.