Is there an actual Service Bulletin for the 3rd gear issues?

b16er · 10-15-2007, 04:07 PM

Please help me! My local dealership OF COURSE can't duplicate the 3rd gear grind that 99.7% of Si owners experience and it is driving me nuts. They said if I can find a Service Bulletin that proves this is an issue, they will do something about it. Then they had the audacity to tell me with the obligatory "no offense, but..." that maybe I was not pushing in the clutch pedal far enough, shifting too quickly etc. I told them I have driven manual transmission cars exclusively for 10 years and on EVERY Honda I have had, 3rd gear grinded. If it was my driving causing this, why don't gears 1-2 and 4-6 grind for me? Damn I am getting really pissed. I said that I know a bandaid fix would be to replace the MTF with a full synthetic, which they said they could do it and assured me they would honor the warranty even though it was not a Honda MTF (Amsoil). So anyway guys, can anyone please give me a Service Bulletin? I need to show them they are wrong and want a smooth shifting Si!

***Whocares05050*** · 10-15-2007, 04:10 PM

Hope you get all this worked out man. Have you considered changing out the bushings?

***ThaJazz*** · 10-15-2007, 04:12 PM

Mine's starting to grind more and more often. Time for the MTF change. I wouldn't expect a dealership to fix it--plus that's extra time I wouldn't have the car.

Dwn4nythng · 10-15-2007, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThaJazz

Mine's starting to grind more and more often. Time for the MTF change. I wouldn't expect a dealership to fix it--plus that's extra time I wouldn't have the car.

I changed my MTF and still have the grind

TommyD · 10-15-2007, 05:05 PM

Someone posted a bulletin at some point on here, wish I could find it for you.
I've ground 3rd probably a half dozen times now and my car is due for first oil change so I have Amsoil oil and MTF in the trunk waiting, taking it in tomorrow for the oil change, dunno what to do about the MTF yet. I called the service manager and I'm waiting on a call back right now.

Sub'd

TommyD · 10-15-2007, 05:16 PM

TSB - Technical Service Bulletins
Make : HONDA Model : CIVIC Year : 2006
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Service Bulletin Num : 1205
Date of Bulletin: DEC 16, 2005
NHTSA Item Number: 10018868
Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION
Summary:
TRANSMISSION GRINDS AT SHIFTS, SKIP SHIFTING.

b16er · 10-15-2007, 06:08 PM

Thank you very much TommyD. Does anyone have a Canadian one as well by chance?

b16er · 10-16-2007, 12:55 AM

Bump. My dealer is being a bitch and will not accept the US TSB because its not CANADIAN. I explained to them that the cars are built in Canada whether they go to the US or not . They are being very unhelpful, and I know they could just look it up on their computer. Why the hell must they be so anal about servicing a car under warranty that is obviously flawed?

nayilsi · 10-16-2007, 01:17 AM

LMAO!!!!

Thats ***

***damien6669*** · 12-05-2007, 09:22 PM

dɯnq

that drives me insane as well. Honda Canada told me NOT to change the MTF! They said it doesn't help, it's just a band-aid, and if the honda dealership does not give you service to your satisfaction, let them know, and they will send an engineer.. I am waiting on one ( we will see what happens)

jennerz22 · 12-05-2007, 09:48 PM

I talked to my dealership about the bulletin, and its only for 2006. I have a 2007 with the same issues.

dil2502 · 12-09-2007, 04:12 AM

if i have this problem and i want to take it into the dealership i should probably take my shortshifter out first?

KenB · 12-09-2007, 08:42 AM

Has there been an update to this TSB to include the 2007 model year?

[EDIT] Apparently not. I just searched Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) and found only two TSB's for the '07's:

Make : HONDA Model : CIVIC Year : 2007
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Service Bulletin Num : 1106 Date of Bulletin: NOV 16, 2006
NHTSA Item Number: 10020983
Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE
Summary:
DAMAGED TERMINAL OR POOR CONNECTION AT TERMINAL F5 (YEL) AT THE UNDERDASH FUSE BOX. F CONNECTOR CAN CAUSE INDICATION OF DTC'S. TO REPAIR THESE DTC'S, PROPERLY ENGAGE OR REPLACE THE DAMAGED TERMINAL. *KB

Make : HONDA Model : CIVIC Year : 2007
Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.)
Service Bulletin Num : 07043 Date of Bulletin: JUL 18, 2007
NHTSA Item Number: 10022467
Component: SUSPENSION:FRONT
Summary:
POPPING NOISE IN THE FRONT SUSPENSION WHILE TURNING. *KB

10-15-2007, 04:07 PM	#1 (permalink)
b16er Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chilliwack, BC Age: 27 Posts: 132 Andrew iTrader: 0 / 0%	Is there an actual Service Bulletin for the 3rd gear issues? Please help me! My local dealership OF COURSE can't duplicate the 3rd gear grind that 99.7% of Si owners experience and it is driving me nuts. They said if I can find a Service Bulletin that proves this is an issue, they will do something about it. Then they had the audacity to tell me with the obligatory "no offense, but..." that maybe I was not pushing in the clutch pedal far enough, shifting too quickly etc. I told them I have driven manual transmission cars exclusively for 10 years and on EVERY Honda I have had, 3rd gear grinded. If it was my driving causing this, why don't gears 1-2 and 4-6 grind for me? Damn I am getting really pissed. I said that I know a bandaid fix would be to replace the MTF with a full synthetic, which they said they could do it and assured me they would honor the warranty even though it was not a Honda MTF (Amsoil). So anyway guys, can anyone please give me a Service Bulletin? I need to show them they are wrong and want a smooth shifting Si!

12-05-2007, 09:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
*damien6669* Your Face. Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Edmonton, AB Posts: 376 I go by many names. iTrader: 3 / 100%	dɯnq that drives me insane as well. Honda Canada told me NOT to change the MTF! They said it doesn't help, it's just a band-aid, and if the honda dealership does not give you service to your satisfaction, let them know, and they will send an engineer.. I am waiting on one ( we will see what happens) __________________ This is not reality. This is only a frame of reference.

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*Whocares05050* WHOcaREs05050 Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: SOFLA Age: 100 Posts: 14,709 Mike iTrader: 7 / 100%	Hope you get all this worked out man. Have you considered changing out the bushings?

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*ThaJazz* Master of the Sixth Speed Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 3,127 iTrader: 13 / 100%	Mine's starting to grind more and more often. Time for the MTF change. I wouldn't expect a dealership to fix it--plus that's extra time I wouldn't have the car.

10-15-2007, 05:05 PM	#5 (permalink)
TommyD Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,367 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Someone posted a bulletin at some point on here, wish I could find it for you. I've ground 3rd probably a half dozen times now and my car is due for first oil change so I have Amsoil oil and MTF in the trunk waiting, taking it in tomorrow for the oil change, dunno what to do about the MTF yet. I called the service manager and I'm waiting on a call back right now. Sub'd

10-15-2007, 05:16 PM	#6 (permalink)
TommyD Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,367 iTrader: 0 / 0%	TSB - Technical Service Bulletins Make : HONDA Model : CIVIC Year : 2006 Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.) Service Bulletin Num : 1205 Date of Bulletin: DEC 16, 2005 NHTSA Item Number: 10018868 Component: POWER TRAIN:MANUAL TRANSMISSION Summary: TRANSMISSION GRINDS AT SHIFTS, SKIP SHIFTING.

10-15-2007, 06:08 PM	#7 (permalink)
b16er Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chilliwack, BC Age: 27 Posts: 132 Andrew iTrader: 0 / 0%	Thank you very much TommyD. Does anyone have a Canadian one as well by chance?

10-16-2007, 12:55 AM	#8 (permalink)
b16er Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Chilliwack, BC Age: 27 Posts: 132 Andrew iTrader: 0 / 0%	Bump. My dealer is being a bitch and will not accept the US TSB because its not CANADIAN. I explained to them that the cars are built in Canada whether they go to the US or not . They are being very unhelpful, and I know they could just look it up on their computer. Why the hell must they be so anal about servicing a car under warranty that is obviously flawed?

10-16-2007, 01:17 AM	#9 (permalink)
nayilsi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: You mean nothing to me Posts: 9,648 iTrader: 0 / 0%	LMAO!!!! Thats ***

12-05-2007, 09:48 PM	#11 (permalink)
jennerz22 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: MO Posts: 888 Jennifer iTrader: 1 / 100%	I talked to my dealership about the bulletin, and its only for 2006. I have a 2007 with the same issues.

12-09-2007, 04:12 AM	#12 (permalink)
dil2502 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: The city of Grove Posts: 111 iTrader: 0 / 0%	if i have this problem and i want to take it into the dealership i should probably take my shortshifter out first?

12-09-2007, 08:42 AM	#13 (permalink)
KenB Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New York Posts: 632 Ken iTrader: 2 / 100%	Has there been an update to this TSB to include the 2007 model year? [EDIT] Apparently not. I just searched Office of Defects Investigation (ODI) and found only two TSB's for the '07's: Make : HONDA Model : CIVIC Year : 2007 Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.) Service Bulletin Num : 1106 Date of Bulletin: NOV 16, 2006 NHTSA Item Number: 10020983 Component: ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:ENGINE Summary: DAMAGED TERMINAL OR POOR CONNECTION AT TERMINAL F5 (YEL) AT THE UNDERDASH FUSE BOX. F CONNECTOR CAN CAUSE INDICATION OF DTC'S. TO REPAIR THESE DTC'S, PROPERLY ENGAGE OR REPLACE THE DAMAGED TERMINAL. KB Make : HONDA Model : CIVIC Year : 2007* Manufacturer : HONDA (AMERICAN HONDA MOTOR CO.) Service Bulletin Num : 07043 Date of Bulletin: JUL 18, 2007 NHTSA Item Number: 10022467 Component: SUSPENSION:FRONT Summary: POPPING NOISE IN THE FRONT SUSPENSION WHILE TURNING. *KB