New Recall: Rear Bearing (Revised, threads merged)

[lightlypurified]

Man since chinese are that cheap maybe it isnt good to get an r18 turbo from them.

[V1cut]

Originally Posted by Si4Life

Ok, So honda was trying to save money by using a Chinese manufacturer of these seals. Think they will do that again?

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but the latest comes from Canada and is a lot more significant than a toy with too much lead in its paint.

No. It says nothing about China that I can find.

Interesting, looks like a visit to the dealer is in my future.

[Zeuceone]

has anyone done this already.?

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by Zeuceone

has anyone done this already.?

Yes, I did. Post is a page or two before this.

They said they found nothing amiss. They forgot to stamp my VIN I think. That or they barely left a mark. At first I wasn't sure they looked at it because the wheels look untouched (I figure they grab them by the tire when on a lift though) but the lugs on the rear of my car were put on with the force of god so I guess that proves they did.

[Zeuceone]

this is a tuff one because if they say they do but dont it could lead to a lot of trouble.

[06CivEXJon]

Honda just lost alot of reputation,fan base and people have lost faith in Honda because of these recalls a total 8-10 for the Civic! what have they done for the 08 model year Civics? absolutely NOTHING,NOTHING AT ALL! whooptie they offer an EX-L now with leather and a TPMS,yet nothing new with the workmanship or quality. What a sad fact for Honda and Toyota both and their quality ratings. A wheel bearing from china is whats causing this recall?! you'd think the civic would be built in china because of the poor quality. This is a growing problem thats only going to get worse,i mean whats next? windshields will fly up? the doors falling off? well atleast my Civic hasnt had any of these major problems but it does have flaws like everyone elses civics. Im terrified and disappointed by the lack of QC,care and inspections and quality of both Toyota and Honda lately. Why doesn't HOA come out and admit they need to seriously fix the civic and the new accord like Toyota needs to fix the Camry and tundra? HOA needs to do an investigation at the Alliston Ontario plant and the Ohio plant. The new MDX is terrible it has a cheap crappy interior pieces and gaps! the window sticker said $40,000 dollars too!! The MDX is also made in alliston and it also has the same interior materials as the civic and new accord....i was inside a new MDX and the gap by the glovebox was ridiculous i could push it back in place but it wouldn't hold. After leaving the Acura dealer,i went to infiniti and i tell you what the FX35/45 i saw was gorgeous! awesome interior materials inside and out and totally worth 40k+ my family has owned alot of Nissans and Infinitis and all of them are built solidly and have excellent quality materials and workmanship. Nissan has top notch workmanship quality and materials ive always loved Nissans and Infinitis and always will. I have a friend that has a Lexus GS,Lexus is nice too and im surpised that Toyota hasnt cheapened Lexus out yet because Toyota is cheapening out their lineup just like Honda is with Honda and Acura. Until Honda and Toyota get their act together and finally realize that they are making a huge mistake by having cheap materials in their cars and poor workmanship and little to no quality control inspections no one will buy them again.

[Cybergypsy]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Honda just lost alot of reputation,fan base and people have lost faith in Honda because of these recalls a total 8-10 for the Civic! what have they done for the 08 model year Civics? absolutely NOTHING,NOTHING AT ALL! whooptie they offer an EX-L now with leather and a TPMS,yet nothing new with the workmanship or quality. What a sad fact for Honda and Toyota both and their quality ratings. A wheel bearing from china is whats causing this recall?! you'd think the civic would be built in china because of the poor quality. This is a growing problem thats only going to get worse,i mean whats next? windshields will fly up? the doors falling off? well atleast my Civic hasnt had any of these major problems but it does have flaws like everyone elses civics. Im terrified and disappointed by the lack of QC,care and inspections and quality of both Toyota and Honda lately. Why doesn't HOA come out and admit they need to seriously fix the civic and the new accord like Toyota needs to fix the Camry and tundra? HOA needs to do an investigation at the Alliston Ontario plant and the Ohio plant. The new MDX is terrible it has a cheap crappy interior pieces and gaps! the window sticker said $40,000 dollars too!! The MDX is also made in alliston and it also has the same interior materials as the civic and new accord....i was inside a new MDX and the gap by the glovebox was ridiculous i could push it back in place but it wouldn't hold. After leaving the Acura dealer,i went to infiniti and i tell you what the FX35/45 i saw was gorgeous! awesome interior materials inside and out and totally worth 40k+ my family has owned alot of Nissans and Infinitis and all of them are built solidly and have excellent quality materials and workmanship. Nissan has top notch workmanship quality and materials ive always loved Nissans and Infinitis and always will. I have a friend that has a Lexus GS,Lexus is nice too and im surpised that Toyota hasnt cheapened Lexus out yet because Toyota is cheapening out their lineup just like Honda is with Honda and Acura. Until Honda and Toyota get their act together and finally realize that they are making a huge mistake by having cheap materials in their cars and poor workmanship and little to no quality control inspections no one will buy them again.

Very well said, I am holding off on my 08 Civic...due to some of the recent problems and lack of QC!

[Cybergypsy]

Funny i never got any TSB or even a letter about the mileage issue....

[jasonandre]

Originally Posted by Cybergypsy

Funny i never got any TSB or even a letter about the mileage issue....

Well then here ya go.

[F-1 Si]

I had this TSB done Friday. They replaced every part on the TSB and used the right tools , not like the goons that slapped it together on the assembly line.

I wonder how Honda handles a customer when a wheel snaps off a car?

[Special Ringpop]

^ They tell them that they have never heard of the problem before and it was likely due to driver error, and for it to be considered, a certified Honda technician must have replicated it for Honda to claim responsibility.

In other words, they wouldn't.

[DNieves]

1) HCM is in Alliston, Ontario not Alberta.
-I stand corrected (may PM Harper and AMHC CEO Koichi Kondo please forgive me for my grievous error).

:)

2) The Civics built in Ohio have had just as many service bulletins/TSB's, etc. I know because I work for one of the biggest parts suppliers to Honda (and the Account Manager in charge of the Civic project within our company). We see every detail of all warranty claim and JD Power info, and analyze it on a daily basis.
-Do a search of complaints and you'll see that the ALLISTON factory seems to be the common thread. Don't take this as an insult to Honda or Canada, as an American I don't have a problem saying my Ford from (crap, I forget which state my old Ford came from) was without one redeeming quality but I can wholeheartedly say the design team sucked and the auto workers that put that POS together sucked as much (they must've been doing drugs or suffered some kind of mental damage).

3) The only reason this claim is being linked to Honda Canada is because the reported cases have been IN Canada (use of road salts is much higher here, which would obviously increase the possibility of it happening here). The 4 door Civics that are built at Honda in Ohio are mainly for the mid-western and southern US. Not much chance of road salts affecting a seal there.
-As a person in New York (and many here in the Northeastern US) where salt is heavily used, this isn't very comforting. Luckily there are some of us with a winter beater but northern owners that have to use their Civics everyday (I strongly believe) would find the idea of their wheels falling off very disconcerting. BTW-it seems in downstate NY the sedans are out numbering the coupes.
Everybody, let's pack up our Civics and move to sunny California this way salt will never upset us or harm our cars!!! Going back to Cali.....

:)

[F-1 Si]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

^ They tell them that they have never heard of the problem before and it was likely due to driver error, and for it to be considered, a certified Honda technician must have replicated it for Honda to claim responsibility.

In other words, they wouldn't.

Yes that's all good till they issue a TSB for that very same problem and I'm probably no longer driving a mass produced car any longer.

[DNieves]

Originally Posted by F-1 Si

I had this TSB done Friday. They replaced every part on the TSB and used the right tools , not like the goons that slapped it together on the assembly line.

I wonder how Honda handles a customer when a wheel snaps off a car?

It'd be nice if there were a leaked memo or ANYTHING that would indicate Honda is aware of quality related issues. It'd be better if there were any indication of them trying to fix it. Isn't this how the Big Three started their decline? Excuse me, NOSEDIVE.

P.S. speaking of Honda failures, is the musiclink still discontinued? If so, they should hire the company that did the Scion's iPod interface.

[DNieves]

Originally Posted by cloudbreakmd

Amazing... Second recall on the car and the Honda Ownerslink says my car has no recalls... Worthless (the Ownerslink recall link).

Same here, seems that site's only purpose is for making prompt car payments and appointments with the dealer. If my Si wasn't so fun to drive and problem free, I'd be having second thoughts about Honda. Has anybody in NY paid off their Civics from AHFC yet? I'm still waiting for my lien release letter -years ago when I paid off my Sentra from Nissan Finance they sent me a lien release letter AND an updated title (no lien holder listed). Do they stil do that or do you have to either pay for an updated one from DMV?

[Special Ringpop]

This is exactly what happened to GM, Nieves. Talk on the big GM forums are equating Toyota (which, apparently, has had more recalls this year overall than all 3 Big 3 automakers) with the GM of the past, due to their declining build quality.

Honda is also mentioned, but not to the level Toyota is. The day Honda, or any car maker, admits that they have "quality" issues, is the day hell freezes over.

[edbubuli]

Originally Posted by F-1 Si

I had this TSB done Friday. They replaced every part on the TSB and used the right tools , not like the goons that slapped it together on the assembly line.

I wonder how Honda handles a customer when a wheel snaps off a car?

Where's your dealer? I'm from NJ too and my car is included in the recall...how long did it take?

[DNieves]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

This is exactly what happened to GM, Nieves. Talk on the big GM forums are equating Toyota (which, apparently, has had more recalls this year overall than all 3 Big 3 automakers) with the GM of the past, due to their declining build quality.

Honda is also mentioned, but not to the level Toyota is. The day Honda, or any car maker, admits that they have "quality" issues, is the day hell freezes over.

You got some point about hell freezing over!!!
What alternatives do we have:

Stick with Honda and pray they do something about the Alliston plant. (j/k Burrcold).
I'm not prepared to go back to Korean or start buying German.

[Special Ringpop]

I would go back to GM, because I'm seeing a lot of quality concerns from Toyota and Honda lately, and not nearly as many from GM or Ford.

However, I'd wait until the new Cobalt comes out, because as it stands, the Cobalt and G5 aren't competitive.

I really love the Civic, but some basic quality concerns that I thought Honda didn't really suffer from are rearing their head.

The service manager I last spoke to didn't care that I said my 2000 Grand Am had quieter suspension and higher quality (albeit MUCH uglier) plastics.

I don't mean to complain about the Civic, but I am disappointed with this quality, and I know its not because its "Honda", because the last gen Accord had a FANTASTIC interior. Not a squeak, rattle, ding, scratch or any other form of flaw from a rental interior of a 2006 Accord.

However, my 2006 Civic with 20,000 less miles looks a lot worse for the wear, and I assure you I take FAR better care of my car than Honda does their rentals.

Something about that just doesn't add up to me.

[truflip]

Dang. 20 pages. I'd like to ask if anyone got a copy of this letter that I can print? Sadly, my car is in that range of affect 07 FG1's and I want to get this done ASAP.
I have not received any notifications from my dealership about such recall yet btw, should I wait?

PS: If the letter (scanned image) has been posted, let me know. I guess I'll search this thread then.