New Recall: Rear Bearing (Revised, threads merged)

[Nychus]

[quote=ocspray][quote=Nychus]

Originally Posted by ocspray

I'm no longer a professional mechanic, but I've been one,
Oh, the AGONY! Yes, you called it. I'm someone with actual PROFESSIONAL SKILL AND EXPERIENCE! Let's find the appropriate smilies...



Let me know if I missed any.

LOL

Dude, you should relax and cut us all a break. We love our cars and that's why care and obsess. Honda mechanics should react with humility when they have owners who not only care as much as we do, but also hold our cars to a higher standard. You can also flame the whole internet for providing an outlet for us brainless types. 7+ years ago NONE of us would be getting ANY TSB or Recall information, or having a huge pool of information and people to tap into. If we had all these little problems with cars off the lot 8 years ago we would just be getting new cars.

[ocspray]

Originally Posted by Mateen

This product update was done because of a RECALL. Listen to yourself.
Why would they even think of making a part cheaper with weaker alloy......
They are trying to fix a problem and pretty serious one to save their a$$.
So while they have this problem on their hands, they are thinking to themselves..Hmm, How do we redesign this product cheaper, with weaker alloys?
I DO NOT THINK SO..............

This is priceless. You and others are pushing for Honda to replace everything associated with the Safety Recall, and don't seem too happy that they aren't. What possible reasons would Honda have for not replacing everything?

I can think of two reasons:

1. It's not necessary (as I've explained in many different ways, but you and others don't seem to believe).

2. They don't want to spend the money required to replace everything.

Maybe you can come up with a third, but I can't at the moment. Please let me know if you have any other reasons. Since you don't believe #1, by default, #2 is the only remaining option. I offered a possible reason for Honda changing the design of the most expensive component concerned (save money by decreasing the quality), and you say, "Why would they even think of making a part cheaper with weaker alloy." That statement is directly at odds with #2.

May I quote? "Listen to yourself."

Come up with another viable reason besides #1 for Honda not replacing all concerned components if they're "trying to fix a problem and pretty serious one to save their a$$".

[NIGHTHAWKSI]

wow..this turned into a real efight....lol

[ocspray]

Originally Posted by Nychus

LOL

Dude, you should relax and cut us all a break. We love our cars and that's why care and obsess. Honda mechanics should react with humility when they have owners who not only care as much as we do, but also hold our cars to a higher standard. You can also flame the whole internet for providing an outlet for us brainless types. 7+ years ago NONE of us would be getting ANY TSB or Recall information, or having a huge pool of information and people to tap into. If we had all these little problems with cars off the lot 8 years ago we would just be getting new cars.

I think you're under the mistaken impression that I was a Honda mechanic.

I'll offer a counter to your "Honda mechanics should react with humility" statement (back to licking that brake dust, eh?). Honda customers should be responsible, respectful, and knowledgeable about a subject before ranting that Honda is being less than genuine during a voluntary Safety Recall.

If what you said was flat out wrong and you aren't honest enough to admit it, why should I cut you a break? A major problem with forums is people not willing to back down. You should try some humility yourself. It's like VTEC for the soul!

[Special Ringpop]

Okay, I'm peacing out of contributing anymore information to this thread (you can thank me for even making it before it was published later), until people's testosterone levels die down a little bit.

I wouldn't have made this thread had I known there were going to be fights...

Someone please let me know when this thread gets back to being constructive rather than a mixture between constructive and destructive.

[ocspray]

Who's fighting?
Just wait until we discuss which motor oil is best.

Special Ringpop, thanks for the TSB. BTW, how did you get the pdf file?

Here's a few nonvolatile questions for the group:

Has anyone received a Recall Notice in the mail?

Has anyone seen the TSB listed on one of the TSB sites, such as Alldata?

Has anyone had the inspection performed and it was determined that a hub bearing unit needed to be replaced?

Does anyone know one of the two owners that experienced the severe wheel excursion that prompted the Honda investigation?

[Nychus]

Originally Posted by ocspray

I think you're under the mistaken impression that I was a Honda mechanic.

I'll offer a counter to your "Honda mechanics should react with humility" statement (back to licking that brake dust, eh?). Honda customers should be responsible, respectful, and knowledgeable about a subject before ranting that Honda is being less than genuine during a voluntary Safety Recall.

If what you said was flat out wrong and you aren't honest enough to admit it, why should I cut you a break? A major problem with forums is people not willing to back down. You should try some humility yourself. It's like VTEC for the soul!

I am not trying to prove anymore points. I didn't assume you were a Honda Mech. Just any old biased rude mech will do. If you don't see a big differance between caring about a customer with legitimate concerns and licking dust, then i dunno. I no longer know what you are talking about.

I have a job, and i have clients,. and it is a big world,. if i treated clients like the sales people treated me at my dealership, i would be looknig for new work. and my clients would be happy to find new producers. THANK GOD my service manager was AWESOME. It's the floor managers that treated me like i was petty and a PITA, because all my work was warranty work,. not $$$$$ out the a$$ work like they love to reel in. And don't get me stated on what they try to pull over on women. YOU KNOW IT.

[honda_racer07]

Hey guys, caught wind of this and I happened to work for a Honda Dealer in IL. So, I checked to see what was being recalled it is only for Japan made civics. Here's a little of the memo.

American Honda (AHM) would like to collect the Rear Wheel Bearing and the ABS Wheel Sensor (as a set) from any 2006-2007 Civic (Japan built ONLY, VIN JH****) with a complaint of a rear grinding, droning, or howling noise.

Hope this helps.

[ocspray]

honda_racer07, see if you can pull up TSB 07-055 when you get to work. It doesn't agree with what you posted. What you posted does read like a notice that Honda may have issued during the investigation phase of this recall, so you might check the date on that memo.

[Tiller]

I work at a dealer in Ontario, and the recall applies to more then just Japanese VIN's, there is a whole wack of them including sedans, coupes and Si's

I will try and post the recall notice tomorrow from work, heck I'll see if I can grab it now.

For everyones info there was a bulletin release a long time ago about this issue well before the recall about the same issue, I guess it has escalated to the point where they needed to recall them. We had one 06 sedan come in that had a pretty dangerous bearing, lots of play in it, you could give the wheel a light punch and the whole wheel shook, was scary. We have not had any customers lose a wheel though thankfully.

[Tiller]

Got it...

[ATTACH]RECALL[/ATTACH]

[ocspray]

Originally Posted by Nychus

I am not trying to prove anymore points. I didn't assume you were a Honda Mech. Just any old biased rude mech will do. If you don't see a big differance between caring about a customer with legitimate concerns and licking dust, then i dunno. I no longer know what you are talking about.

I have a job, and i have clients,. and it is a big world,. if i treated clients like the sales people treated me at my dealership, i would be looknig for new work. and my clients would be happy to find new producers. THANKS GOD my service manager was AWESOME. It's the floor managers that treated me like i was petty and a PITA, because all my work was warranty work,. not $$$$$ out the a$$ work like they love to reel in. And don't get me stated on what they try to pull over on women. YOU KNOW IT.

Nychus, it's clear you've been unhappy with the service you've gotten, and I have no reason to argue against your experience. When I'm treated poorly by anyone, I remember it, especially when I'm paying them for their abuse. I understand that you aren't happy about the recall; no one is. No one should put up with poor service. If at all possible, go to another dealership. Just a guess, but your history of bad service may indicate a vicious circle, where your demeanor ensures nothing but an unhappy outcome. Again, start fresh with a new dealership if you can, and deal with them from a position of informed respect. It works wonders.

With that in mind, please try to see that Honda Corp. (not "any old biased rude mech" at a dealership) is serving its customers very well by issuing this voluntary recall. To my knowledge, no one sued Honda, and since it came to their attention, they've taken action within months of the failures. No government agency demanded the recall, and there wasn't a massive media campaign demanding it. This was seen as a serious problem, and Honda has taken the action it deemed necessary to properly address it. If they've determined that the Inspect and Replace method will address this issue, I have full confidence that it will. You may disagree, but be assured that Honda has spent a considerable amount of effort determining that they are correct, and it's likely that NHTSA agrees with them. Don't let your history of bad dealership experiences blind you to the truth of the matter.

As for assuming I'm "any old biased rude mech", you are completely out of line. In this thread, I've consistently researched answers for posters, and I've admitted to being wrong on two occasions while simultaneously posting the correct, referenced information. You have either ignored or misunderstood many of my posts, and in thanks for my efforts, you've insulted me. If you've taken my blunt honesty and chiding as rude, so be it, but I'm certainly not biased just because I don't agree with you.

I can quote some of your inaccuracies and illogical thinking (I already have), so why don't you quote some of my biased statements?

[ocspray]

Originally Posted by Tiller

Got it...

[ATTACH]RECALL[/ATTACH]

Tiller, you've landed the elusive Canada Civic Safety Recall TSB! It even has actual photos of KIA'd O-rings. Good job!

Special Ringpop, would you please edit that pdf into your first post?

[honda_racer07]

Thanks! Tiller for the Canadian info! I didn't have to go to work I have access to Interactive Network from Honda, Since I work them. I appollogize for not digging a little deeper and giving the full info through! But here is the American version of the recall staight from Honda.

[Special Ringpop]

[quote=ocspray]Who's fighting?
Just wait until we discuss which motor oil is best.

Special Ringpop, thanks for the TSB. BTW, how did you get the pdf file?
[quote]

I didn't get the PDF file. Jason did and he attached it for me, so I didn't have to scan it. I got a copy of it from the dealership, and Jason had the PDF, so I didn't bother scanning it. You'd have to ask him where he got it.

I got my hard copy from my Honda dealership.

[jasonandre]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

I didn't get the PDF file. Jason did and he attached it for me, so I didn't have to scan it. I got a copy of it from the dealership, and Jason had the PDF, so I didn't bother scanning it. You'd have to ask him where he got it.

I got my hard copy from my Honda dealership.

I ganked it from American Honda's service website, yo!

[Special Ringpop]

First post updated for Canadian Recall information. Please feel free to let me know if there is anytihng else that needs to be updated (moderators included w/ editing)

[ocspray]

To Tiller, jasonandre, honda_racer07, and Special Ringpop, thanks for getting this information out. Having the actual service documentation is like gold to me. I'll add the Canada bulletin to my earlier VIN post.

[Nychus]

EDIT- <ANY REFERANCE TO OCSPRAY from me accusing him of flaming people because they can't read,.. it was VINCE who did it!>
OC
Dude i don't know you. And i don't dislike you. But you flamed people, and i was the first to tell you to friggin chill, and instead of being like,. "yeah i got a little impatient, my bad." you went off like a bad a$$ saying "i wasn't nice and i don't have to be nice". No one does man, But it helps. You even just said it.
I like this forum and this webiste. On my very first post i was greated with much respect and met 30+ cool people in PERSON my first week that i signed up. I talked with all of them, asked dumb questions out of ingorance and inexperience. But they didn't tell me to go read a book. They helped me. And thats a good thing, because i may not know a lot about intakes and headers, and MODS, but know plenty about other stuff just as useful.
It ain't luck i pegged you as a mech. Only people in the service industry use "PITA" because they call people it so much they don't type it out or say it anymore. So i figured you were a mech or a waiter.

[Special Ringpop]

Originally Posted by ocspray

To Tiller, jasonandre, honda_racer07, and Special Ringpop, thanks for getting this information out. Having the actual service documentation is like gold to me. I'll add the Canada bulletin to my earlier VIN post.

You're very welcome. Anything to help other owners out.