New Recall: Rear Bearing (Revised, threads merged)

[Nychus]

Originally Posted by ocspray

Yes, that's it. They all really are out to get you, and the first step was to sabotage your wheel bearings. Keep that roll of aluminium foil handy.

Every Honda employee wasn't born to obsess over each and every Honda ever sold. The recall isn't even a week old. Many service departments don't have the parts (or possibly the tool) to perform the work, and after a few months of dealing with some special customers, I'd be giving the meh response, too. I wouldn't put it past a service manager to blow someone off if they routinely fielded OCD phone calls, which is why I wish some would think about they're behavior. When you're a needless PITA, you make it that much more difficult for anyone to get legitimate work done.

So if they inspect and find nothing wrong, does it mean that nothing will go wrong or nothing has gone wrong yet?

Holy Crap! You're absolutely right! Let's set up a weekly inspection schedule so we can inspect every fastener on The Precious to ensure nothing ever goes wrong with It. Don't worry, it's a free service we provide for every Honda owner. We'll even lick the brake dust off of your wheels after every inspection.

This is a recall, on cars UNDER WARRENTY. One that says can result in YOUR TIRE FALLING OFF. Not brake dust, not a fastener. That was hardly nice. I don't think it is too much to ask if your car falls in the VIN range to have it inspected. And not everyone has a lift at home to do the kind of inspections needed themselves. If your car is under warrenty, and your vin is in range take it in, get it inspected. If they won't even inspect it. Try another dealership and complain to honda america. it says right on the recall what to do if you feel you are not being treated correctly.

[MBK]

i thought it is a general recall even on cars outside of warranty because its a safety issue???

[Nychus]

Originally Posted by MBK

i thought it is a general recall even on cars outside of warranty because its a safety issue???

The recall PDF says 06-07 civics. Then gives the VIN ranges. If you have an 06 and have driven more the 36,000 miles. that would be something. You should buy a frickin Prius. I would guess that most 06 and 07s are still under warranty.

[Special Ringpop]

Originally Posted by Mateen

What I mean is when they do the inspection, and find that the O-ring is not damaged. Who's to say that they will not be damaged later on.

Exactly what my concern is.

Given all the other shit I've had with this car, it wouldn't surprise me if it went wrong later.

Some of you are getting rather rude to some posters who are expressing genuine concern over this.

I suggest you take your attitudes and rudeness elsewhere, becasue this is supposed to be a constructive thread. If you can't behave like an adult, go to one of the whore threads, or find someone who posts an "I h8 mai cviic!" thread or something, and defend Honda there.

This is for people who have questions or information about this recall

[Vince]

Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

Exactly what my concern is.

Given all the other shit I've had with this car, it wouldn't surprise me if it went wrong later.

Some of you are getting rather rude to some posters who are expressing genuine concern over this.

I suggest you take your attitudes and rudeness elsewhere, becasue this is supposed to be a constructive thread. If you can't behave like an adult, go to one of the whore threads, or find someone who posts an "I h8 mai cviic!" thread or something, and defend Honda there.

This is for people who have questions or information about this recall

Folks need to learn some reading comprehension...everything is right in the bulletin, if some of you would take the time to read the darn thing. Instead there's now XX number of pages...of because people can't read.

[Special Ringpop]

I had the bulletin in my hand the day before Honda officiated it. I've read it. Believe me.

A lot of the questions people have, I think, seem to be fairly legitiamte. Even if they could've derived it from the bulletin. That is what a forum is for. To talk about things.

[Nychus]

Originally Posted by Vince

Folks need to learn some reading comprehension...everything is right in the bulletin, if some of you would take the time to read the darn thing. Instead there's now XX number of pages...of because people can't read.

All they know, and need to know is that if their car is affected they should be taken care of. Period. And if they are not, and they have a jerk at Honda, they should find a new dealership.
Some people can read that TSB all they want and not totally understand it. That is why they come here. To talk to people and ask questions. If you are of the few and proud that has all the facts maybe your should use that information to help and explain things rather than cut people down. Telling them they have poor reading comprehension is a real mood booster. I feel like a real gem when people tell me I am stupid. This is technical stuff. Not all people get it. The TSB and recall PDF is for HONDA Techs,. not regular people, so when they read it, they are not supposed to get it. It is a privilige that you may. I am so glad the Popping Sound thread that initiated me into 8thcivic.com was not populated by hoity-toity types telling me my questions and worries were a result of my lack of brains.

[MBK]

its my understanding that the damage occurs because of faulty installation? if that's the case then not every car in the VIN range would have the problem yet can be subject to it?

[Nychus]

Originally Posted by MBK

its my understanding that the damage occurs because of faulty installation? if that's the case then not every car in the VIN range would have the problem yet can be subject to it?

bingo.
but it can go both ways. if your car is not in VIN range and you have a really great honda tech, and you have the rear rotor damage symptoms, the tech can inspect the sensor, look for the improperly installed o-ring, and if it is messed up, and you are under warrenty they will fix it. No cost to you. ANYTHING wrong with your car on the manufacturer side is covered under your 3 yr 36k mile warranty. Now if you are NOT in VIN range and there are no symptoms, it will be an uphill battle to get a tech to inspect your car. I mean,. why would you get ANY car inspected if you are NOT having problems, and you are NOT in the VIN range of a TSB or Recall?

[Sli(ks]

Originally Posted by MBK

its my understanding that the damage occurs because of faulty installation? if that's the case then not every car in the VIN range would have the problem yet can be subject to it?

i think i remember reading somewhere that only about 5% of the cars in the vin range would need to be repaired.

[goixiz]

if some of you have worked with Orings then you understand how easy / difficult it is to insert an oring that is oversize so it can seal into a hole. Not all will be damage and hence not every car within the VIN range needs replacement

[Mateen]

Originally Posted by Vince

Folks need to learn some reading comprehension...everything is right in the bulletin, if some of you would take the time to read the darn thing. Instead there's now XX number of pages...of because people can't read.

Yes everything is right on the bulletin.
So did you notice that part number for the replacement Rear Hub Bearing unit was different from the original one?
Original Rear Hub Bearing unit part number: P/N 42200-SANA-A51, H/C 8058851
Replacement Hub Bearing unit part number: P/N 42200-SANA-A52, H/C 8048787
Now if they are claiming that the O-Ring might have been damaged due to a bad installation which might have also damaged the Hub Bearing unit, then why are they using a different part for Hub Bearing unit? Were the Hub Bearing units defected?
Again I am sorry if I do not have the same reading comprehension skills like you have.

[msqr]

There can be many reasons as to why they chose to use a new part number. They might have tightened their dimension tolerances, for example.

[Mateen]

Originally Posted by msqr

There can be many reasons as to why they chose to use a new part number. They might have tightened their dimension tolerances, for example.

Well, wouldn't you want to know why? It even says at the bottom right of page 1, "failed Part: P/N 42200-SANA-A51, H/C 8058851" which is the Rear Hub Bearing unit.

[msqr]

I would, but I'm just speculating as we'd probably never find out. If you called Honda up the rep on the phone would just speculate.

If it was a design change, perhaps the revised design is a better O ring?

[MBK]

well sir... just got back and they will be ordering the parts to do the recall... also they ordered me a new sunvisor, no hassles all i did was point it out and the guy went ahead and ordered it. by the time i went for coffee and back my car was ready to go... also i saw the new accord 4 door and i like it; looks much better in person. also i think the radio/control panels are the same in both nav and non nav accords... don't really know how that works, but yeah it looks good. i will update when i go back.

[NIGHTHAWKSI]

i would like to get some real answers since half of this thread is of people not knowing what they are talking about and arguing...

1. this is a RECALL (not a TSB) which means it HAS to be done?
2. will it ge fixed? or do they look at it and if it doesnt look damaged, they put it back together?...what if my car isnt showing damage yet but does have this problem?
3. how long does the recall take?
4. are all people that already brought it in being told that they have to wait for parts?...i would like to bring my car downand have it done that day rather than make 2 trips for them to look at it and fix it.
5. my dealer is telling me that they wont do anyhting until i have a recall sent to my house with my vin# on it...is that true? i know how to read a vin and mine definalty falls in the range.

thank you in advance. and +rep to anyone who answers these questions without bullshit answers.

[MBK]

^^^the dealer by my house is ordering the parts so i assume they are just going to fix it either or

[ocspray]

Nychus, I wasn't trying to be nice, so at least in your eyes, I succeeded. I meant every word I said. Needlessly freaking out mere days into this recall is doing no one any good. When a business has to deal with a customer that's routinely a PITA, they will be branded as such, usually to the detriment of said PITA. A customer can be calm, informed, and firm, all without being a PITA.

This is a SAFETY RECALL. It has nothing to do with any warranty. The entire issue is related to improperly installed O-rings on the rear ABS wheel sensor, leading to premature bearing failure. In this application, there's no reason to believe a sound, properly installed O-ring is prone to failure, or that the bearing it protects is, either. Having unnecessary inspections performed is not only a waste of time, but it will increase the risk that O-ring damage may occur. BTW, why did you mention "rear rotor damage"?

Mateen, there's no reason to believe that a properly assembled rear hub assembly will fail prematurely. There's nothing inherently wrong with Honda's original design of the assembly, but for anyone that's determined to Monk out about this recall, I have a secret to share: Every rear hub bearing unit on every Honda Civic will fail! That's right, every one! In fact, every single bearing on every Honda ever made will fail, because they're machines, and they can't heal themselves.

Some of you may not have any experience with failing bearings, and the TSB doesn't mention what occurs when one fails. Long before a wheel is going to fall off, there will be plenty of noise and vibration coming from the failing bearing. How long before it completely fails and seizes or breaks is unknown, but it's certainly long enough for a person of average intelligence to say, "Dang! What's that sound? I better take my car to the shop!" This recall is designed to prevent sound bearings from failing, catch failing bearings early, and prevent a clueless person from driving on a failing bearing until it completely dies. You and your car fall into one of those three categories; I'll let you decide which one.

On to the new hub bearing unit part number (good eye, Mateen). Honda has spent months determining what caused the failure and what cars are affected. Perhaps during the investigation, a change was made to the hub bearing unit to address a newfound improvement - "The original part was fine, but we can make it a little better". Perhaps the change was incidental - a minor modification made to the unit so it could be used on more than one model. Since Honda is already recalling over 180,000 cars, it's reasonable to assume that if whatever changes were made to the hub bearing unit were crucial to its reliability, Honda would call for their outright replacement instead of an inspection.

I have no problem discussing this issue rationally, and I've answered some questions, too. In fact, I've even admitted I was wrong about the Nation of Destination VIN character. What I don't care for is outright laziness, paranoia, stupidity, or a combination of the three. Some posters have obviously not bothered to read anything before posting. Some are so concerned about their cars that reason has been driven from their minds. Some believe their dealers are staffed with scheming bastards, hell bent on screwing them over...okay, that's understandable. My point with the offensive to some (humorous to others) post was to slap a few people back to their senses.

[Fg2ner]

I took my car in today and it was just an inspection to ensure everything and see if it needs replaced. They will replace everything if it needs too. My car did not need it and it it will not pertain to all of the VIN numbers in the range.