New Recall: Rear Bearing (Revised, threads merged)

[ocspray]

VelociRacer pm'd me about my earlier VIN post and pointed out that Honda VINs do identify the destination market. Instead of being a dope, I looked in the Factory Service Manual, vol. 1, pg.1-2, h. Serial Number. The Serial Number begins with the 12th VIN character. The 12th VIN character (first character of the Serial Number) does indeed signify USA or Canada market models, but it's a little more complicated than you might think:
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Civic VIN, 12th Character Destination Market Identifiers
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'06-'07 Civic sedan (FA1 or FA5) - all trim levels

0 = USA models (produced in USA and Suzuka)
Canada models (produced in Canada)

5 = USA models (produced in Canada)

8 = Canada models (produced in USA)
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'06-'07 Civic coupe (FG1 or FG2) - all trim levels

5 = USA models (except Si)

7 = USA models (Si)

0 = Canada models (except Si)

1 = Canada models (Si)
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Based on the above (and the fact that the recall TSB is issued by American Honda Motor Corp.), the recall lists no Canada market models, and a separate TSB for the same issue (with a different VIN range) will likely be issued to cover Canada Civics.

VelociRacer, thanks for your help.

UPDATE:UPDATE:UPDATE:UPDATE:UPDATE:UPDATE:

Good news! The Canada Safety Recall TSB has been posted, thanks to Tiller and honda_racer07.

If you have a Canada Civic, check this TSB.

If you have a U.S. Civic, check this TSB.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by marecki7

Some dealerships (other than Honda) have journeymen working on Saturdays.

If the O-ring is OK, than they should be done in a jiffy, but if it is bad, than the repairs will obviously take longer.

the two that i called were mcgrath and castle... mcgrath pretty much told they don't have journeymen working saturday's... so i guess their saturday is for oil changes etc.

[BERTRON]

How long would the service take for this recall? I've got a 07 coupe which falls in the range.

Is this something that can be done in less than an hour? Trying to figure out if I should take it during a lunch break or plan for a longer service. I don't see any service time estimates in the bulletin.

I called the dealership I bought my car from (Bernardi Honda in Natick, MA, anyone else had any good/bad experiences with MA dealerships?). They said they wouldn't do anything until I actually have a notice from Honda (I'm calling BS on this one, their sales department is actually quite good though). I think they're just being lazy. There's another dealer by my work (Herb Chambers, the devil), but I don't trust them (overcharge for EVERYTHING, and deny warranty claims...BS).

[taz1328]

Originally Posted by BERTRON

How long would the service take for this recall? I've got a 07 coupe which falls in the range.

Is this something that can be done in less than an hour? Trying to figure out if I should take it during a lunch break or plan for a longer service. I don't see any service time estimates in the bulletin.

I called the dealership I bought my car from (Bernardi Honda in Natick, MA, anyone else had any good/bad experiences with MA dealerships?). They said they wouldn't do anything until I actually have a notice from Honda (I'm calling BS on this one, their sales department is actually quite good though). I think they're just being lazy. There's another dealer by my work (Herb Chambers, the devil), but I don't trust them (overcharge for EVERYTHING, and deny warranty claims...BS).

I actually got my car from Herb Chambers in Westborough....and it was pretty good. I need to call them up about the recall. I'll let you know how it goes. You could try Boch...but I really don't trust them...had a bad experience.

[ocspray]

Originally Posted by BERTRON

How long would the service take for this recall? I've got a 07 coupe which falls in the range.

In theory, the inspection should only take a few minutes, certainly less than an hour if the mechanic is only working on your car. However, if the inspection reveals a problem, it'll take more time. If a hub unit or two is required and the parts aren't on hand, they'll probably need to keep your car overnight or longer. Odds are, nothing is wrong (Honda expects approximately 5% have anything wrong), but you need to be prepared for a longer stay.

[Sli(ks]

well I just got back, nothing wrong with the bearings....

But, when I got out of the car I noticed a couple deep gashes in the paint on my front bumper - that DEFINITELY weren't there when I left this morning. They rushed me out of that place pretty quickly, and I'm almost positive someone at that dealership did this. Who do they let drive the cars around? I mean when I got it back the seat was WAY forward, as if some punk ass kid had been driving it. Oh yeah, and the guy on the computer nearly gave me an oil change after I told him 5 times I was only there for the recall, and he goes "Yeah, I know" all attitude when I told him to take it off.

Jim White Honda in Maumee, OH FTL

[MBK]

ive got to go in tommorow at 7am!!! going to try for 730 maybe... ill let you soldiers know what the deal is

[Anubis]

Originally Posted by MBK

ive got to go in tommorow at 7am!!! going to try for 730 maybe... ill let you soldiers know what the deal is

good looking out homie...I have to wait a few more days since I didn't want to drop my car off all day. To many horror stories of tech's beat the crap outta customers cars........I always wait.

[Mateen]

So if they inspect and find nothing wrong, does it mean that nothing will go wrong or nothing has gone wrong yet?

[Blurry]

Originally Posted by Mateen

So if they inspect and find nothing wrong, does it mean that nothing will go wrong or nothing has gone wrong yet?

I'm guessing nothing wrong yet...I'm going to have my regular mechanic look at it first.

[F-1 Si]

Originally Posted by Mateen

So if they inspect and find nothing wrong, does it mean that nothing will go wrong or nothing has gone wrong yet?

So what your saying is that you don't trust your local Honda Technician? Huum.

[kgee]

I went and they said my car wasnt in need of the fix.
Are they wrong?
My VIN is something like
2HGFG12867H578815

changed two numbers..but its the range...

Did I get lied to because they didnt want to do it?
He did say "if this changes or you get a card, come back"
Im thinking he wanted to wait until I got a card for proof...and was hoping the card would get lost in the mail.

They were empty too....no one had a car there.

[Mateen]

Originally Posted by F-1 Si

So what your saying is that you don't trust your local Honda Technician? Huum.

What I mean is when they do the inspection, and find that the O-ring is not damaged. Who's to say that they will not be damaged later on. since they are claiming that 5% of the cars are affected, what about the other 95%? Since they were all manufactured/installed the same way, does it mean that the other 95% would have a chance to get affected somewhere down the line?

[Firestrife]

Originally Posted by Mateen

What I mean is when they do the inspection, and find that the O-ring is not damaged. Who's to say that they will not be damaged later on. since they are claiming that 5% of the cars are affected, what about the other 95%? Since they were all manufactured/installed the same way, does it mean that the other 95% would have a chance to get affected somewhere down the line?

If you read the pdf file correctly it says "installed incorrectly" which is like pretty much you were screwed from the beginning.

[MBK]

Originally Posted by Anubis

good looking out homie...I have to wait a few more days since I didn't want to drop my car off all day. To many horror stories of tech's beat the crap outta customers cars........I always wait.

hey np... hopefully there will be no need to fix. from what i understand its only if the bolts are not sealed properly... ill let you all know

[ocspray]

Originally Posted by Mateen

So if they inspect and find nothing wrong, does it mean that nothing will go wrong or nothing has gone wrong yet?

I hope this is a joke.

[Nychus]

[quote=psyshack]

But then my wife was driving around in her Escort with the front wheel bearing howling. I heard it coming down the street.

How long has it been doing that? I don't know
When did it start? I don't know
Couldn't you hear that noise. No

I looked up to the heavens and told God he really screwed up with the rib.
QUOTE]

My Fiance gave me the same song and dance when her bearings went on her Focus. Apperently women have the radio blasting kelly clarkson so loud they can't hear the car, and when the rear view mirror is used as a vanity mirror, they don't notice check engine lights. $550 cost to get her bearings done. What's ironic is it is when i was teaching her how to drive stick in my Si, and the front popped, she said "I didn't do it" She thought she hit something.

I wouldn't give someone guff for not trusting a dealership. I check my odometer after every visit to a mechanic/dealership. I had 75 miles on my car after an oil change a few years back. To say the least I got that oil change for free and a tire rotation/allignment out of it, when I showed the service manager the cell phone picture time and dated 5 minutes before i dropped the car off of the odometer. I trust no one. Your car is your life on the road, and mechanics are hardly doctors, yet they influence your life during very important times.

[Vince]

I swear most of you must have failed reading comprehension in school:

CORRECTIVE ACTION
Inspect both rear ABS wheel speed sensors and their
O-rings. If an ABS wheel speed sensor or O-ring is
damaged, replace the damaged part and the hub
bearing unit on that wheel.

What's not to understand there?

[ocspray]

Originally Posted by kgee

I went and they said my car wasnt in need of the fix.
Are they wrong?
My VIN is something like
2HGFG12867H578815

changed two numbers..but its the range...

Did I get lied to because they didnt want to do it?
He did say "if this changes or you get a card, come back"
Im thinking he wanted to wait until I got a card for proof...and was hoping the card would get lost in the mail.

They were empty too....no one had a car there.

Yes, that's it. They all really are out to get you, and the first step was to sabotage your wheel bearings. Keep that roll of aluminium foil handy.

Every Honda employee wasn't born to obsess over each and every Honda ever sold. The recall isn't even a week old. Many service departments don't have the parts (or possibly the tool) to perform the work, and after a few months of dealing with some special customers, I'd be giving the meh response, too. I wouldn't put it past a service manager to blow someone off if they routinely fielded OCD phone calls, which is why I wish some would think about their behavior. When you're a needless PITA, you make it that much more difficult for anyone to get legitimate work done.

So if they inspect and find nothing wrong, does it mean that nothing will go wrong or nothing has gone wrong yet?

Holy Crap! You're absolutely right! Let's set up a weekly inspection schedule so we can inspect every fastener on The Precious to ensure nothing ever goes wrong with It. Don't worry, it's a free service we provide for every Honda owner. We'll even lick the brake dust off of your wheels after every inspection.

[Vince]

Originally Posted by ocspray

Yes, that's it. They all really are out to get you, and the first step was to sabotage your wheel bearings. Keep that roll of aluminium foil handy.

Every Honda employee wasn't born to obsess over each and every Honda ever sold. The recall isn't even a week old. Many service departments don't have the parts (or possibly the tool) to perform the work, and after a few months of dealing with some special customers, I'd be giving the meh response, too. I wouldn't put it past a service manager to blow someone off if they routinely fielded OCD phone calls, which is why I wish some would think about they're behavior. When you're a needless PITA, you make it that much more difficult for anyone to get legitimate work done.

So if they inspect and find nothing wrong, does it mean that nothing will go wrong or nothing has gone wrong yet?

Holy Crap! You're absolutely right! Let's set up a weekly inspection schedule so we can inspect every fastener on The Precious to ensure nothing ever goes wrong with It. Don't worry, it's a free service we provide for every Honda owner. We'll even lick the brake dust off of your wheels after every inspection.

+1 rep (and I don't do that but on blue moon's LOL)