My dealer finally agreed I have a 3rd gear problem

rallykid · 08-26-2007, 02:54 PM

So I took my car back to the dealership to get the leather on my wheel replaced (The new one they replaced is peeling after 2 days so I am going to talk to them about replaceing it again) and talked to the general manager. When I went in I was still upset about them refusing to aknowledge my 3rd gear problem. When I talked to the general manager again he said that yes, it was a problem, he sees it in about 1 in 150 Si's on the road and that Honda is aware of the issue. He said he wanted to keep the car overnight and drive it cold in the morning and if they duplicate the problem he would have a brand new transmission there the next day for replacement. Hopefully I will get a good one this time. I am dropping the car off Tuesday night and will have an update. I guess if the new one doesn't fix the problem we will take it from there. Worst case scenario we go for tranny #3, lemon law the car and put the money toward something else but hopefully this will fix the problem as I really like my Si.

illusionstwice · 08-26-2007, 03:02 PM

SOunds like a plan. Keep us posted. I am going ot let my dealer keep mine overnight to duplicate the problem as well, but I am going to wait until winter because right now I rarely feel the 3rd gear popping. U know how that goes.... PLease post updates when u hear somethign!

Skylinegtr06 · 08-26-2007, 03:07 PM

As for the third gear problems I highly doubt honda is going to do anything about it, I mean the porsche 996 gt3s have second gear problems and that is a 100k+ car and even though porsche replaced the trans there are still problems

***07BlakBlak*** · 08-26-2007, 03:25 PM

LOL 1 in 150 Si's have the issue? I would say its closer to 120 in 150....

rickhilbert · 08-26-2007, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by 07BlakBlak

LOL 1 in 150 Si's have the issue? I would say its closer to 120 in 150....

kero · 08-26-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by 07BlakBlak

LOL 1 in 150 Si's have the issue? I would say its closer to 120 in 150....

Yep, they always low ball how many cars they see with a certain problem.

r18power · 08-26-2007, 04:37 PM

i don't get why everybody is making things harder than they need to be. it's been proven time and time again that switching the transmission fluid is all that's needed. if they see u have a prob, tell them to change the fluid and be on your way.

all this lemon law crap for a fluid change.

kelmar · 08-26-2007, 05:09 PM

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LOL 1 in 150 Si's have the issue? I would say its closer to 120 in 150....

I beg to differ. Unless you have physically driven 150 Si's I doubt that the problem is that high. I also doubt that it's 1 in 150. I figure that is how many people have REPORTED it being a problem (and have had it verified by honda). Unfortunately, not everyone reports problems with their cars and not everyone is signed up on the forum. Realistically, it's not possible for any of us to know EXACLTY how many people are having issues with it....

To the OP - Good luck and I hope everything works out for the best!

CivicBeater · 08-26-2007, 05:19 PM

I dropped mine overnight this past friday and they couldn't duplicate the problem. Monday they are going to call the "tech line" to see what they have to say.

nayilsi · 08-26-2007, 11:37 PM

150/150 have the issue....

actually the ones not having problems are the girls whor driving the SI....gentle shift ftl

rallykid · 08-26-2007, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by r18power

i don't get why everybody is making things harder than they need to be. it's been proven time and time again that switching the transmission fluid is all that's needed. if they see u have a prob, tell them to change the fluid and be on your way.

all this lemon law crap for a fluid change.

True, but it has been a problem, the synchros have ground, that means metal or brass shavings in the transmission and possible damage. If they are willing to change the transmission then by all means I am not going to stop them as I feel that there is a problem and it may be damaged. If they fill the new transmission with synthetic and it doesn't grind, great. I then have a brand new transmission that I know is undamaged that is filled with synthetic fluid and the problem is solved. If the new transmission grinds, than back to the dealership it goes and they can fill it with synthetic.

**Yodums** · 08-27-2007, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by r18power

i don't get why everybody is making things harder than they need to be. it's been proven time and time again that switching the transmission fluid is all that's needed. if they see u have a prob, tell them to change the fluid and be on your way.

all this lemon law crap for a fluid change.

Changing the fluid out will only alleviate the problem. There is a physical failure with the transmission itself. It'll only be a matter of time till the problem resurfaces. I don't think changing out the transmission with a new one is going to do anything either. The transmission will still have that flaw.

NIGHTHAWKSI · 08-27-2007, 09:26 AM

i dont think a new transmission will fix the problem. there are si's to this day that are still being built and delivered with 3rd gear problems, which means the transmission has not been changed/updated. your new transmission is going to do the same as the old....ask them to replace teh synchros rather than a new trans...

HONDACARE · 08-27-2007, 01:28 PM

This may shed some light
http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads....44#Post1794044

***07BlakBlak*** · 08-27-2007, 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by kelmar

I beg to differ. Unless you have physically driven 150 Si's I doubt that the problem is that high. I also doubt that it's 1 in 150. I figure that is how many people have REPORTED it being a problem (and have had it verified by honda). Unfortunately, not everyone reports problems with their cars and not everyone is signed up on the forum. Realistically, it's not possible for any of us to know EXACLTY how many people are having issues with it....

No, I did not contract a company to run an actual nationwide survey.....I diddnt feel like spending thousands of dollars just to post the obvious......sorry. If you venture on over to the Si section you will notice that when the post was put up nearly everyone has experienced some issue with 3rd gear. Naturally, every single Si owner in the country is not registered on this forum....I think thats a no-brainer but thanks for pointing that out.

The bottom line is the VAST majority of Si owners are experiencing a 3rd gear issue and Honda knows it, but most likely since they do not have a fix will not confirm knowledge of the issue. I dont think we need a nationwide survey to strict tolerances to figure that one out! We have a fairly large sample here on this forum all be it skewed. People did not sign up for this forum simply because they were having a 3rd gear issue, it just happens to be the overwhelming majority of Si owners on this forum and all other forums have the problem. I stand by my orig. post. Thank you.

***Special Ringpop*** · 08-27-2007, 04:10 PM

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Originally Posted by r18power

i don't get why everybody is making things harder than they need to be. it's been proven time and time again that switching the transmission fluid is all that's needed. if they see u have a prob, tell them to change the fluid and be on your way.

all this lemon law crap for a fluid change.

That's a crock of shit.

I've had my MTF changed and I still have the same problems.

Besides, you shouldn't have to change your MTF for a gearbox to work right.

Vince · 08-27-2007, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Special Ringpop

That's a crock of shit.

I've had my MTF changed and I still have the same problems.

Besides, you shouldn't have to change your MTF for a gearbox to work right.

True, but when you get resistance from the manufacturer, and you can make a noticeable improvement and make it livable, worth it in my book. I didn't even try to address it with the dildo's at my local stealership. hell, the shop I had do my fluid change even gave me all kinds of grief about taking it back to Honda to fix those problems. Worth the $50 in my book. I hate this F'in car... most of the time.

***Special Ringpop*** · 08-27-2007, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Vince

True, but when you get resistance from the manufacturer, and you can make a noticeable improvement and make it livable, worth it in my book. I didn't even try to address it with the dildo's at my local stealership. hell, the shop I had do my fluid change even gave me all kinds of grief about taking it back to Honda to fix those problems. Worth the $50 in my book. I hate this F'in car... most of the time.

My problem is, I bought a Honda because all I ever hear is how godly they are, and how fantastic their cars are.

True, I love driving the Civic. It's a gorgeous car, inside and out.

But I am so sick and tired of feeling like I'm driving a 99 Kia with the rattles, the fabric wear, the third gear grind, the cold starts, the poor paint, and a hundred other various issues that Honda has done nothing about.

The engine in this car is fantastic. I wish other car companies could make an engine as good as this one. However, all these little negatives, and the big negative of this transmission, are making it hard to not consider going back to another car.

Duce2k · 08-27-2007, 04:57 PM

Sorry to hear that rallykid, I hope they take care of you

nayilsi · 08-27-2007, 05:34 PM

bottomline

if the RSX S owners didnt receive any treatment... why should we ? ( according to Honda )

08-26-2007, 02:54 PM	#1 (permalink)
rallykid Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Michigan Age: 35 Posts: 84 iTrader: 0 / 0%	My dealer finally agreed I have a 3rd gear problem So I took my car back to the dealership to get the leather on my wheel replaced (The new one they replaced is peeling after 2 days so I am going to talk to them about replaceing it again) and talked to the general manager. When I went in I was still upset about them refusing to aknowledge my 3rd gear problem. When I talked to the general manager again he said that yes, it was a problem, he sees it in about 1 in 150 Si's on the road and that Honda is aware of the issue. He said he wanted to keep the car overnight and drive it cold in the morning and if they duplicate the problem he would have a brand new transmission there the next day for replacement. Hopefully I will get a good one this time. I am dropping the car off Tuesday night and will have an update. I guess if the new one doesn't fix the problem we will take it from there. Worst case scenario we go for tranny #3, lemon law the car and put the money toward something else but hopefully this will fix the problem as I really like my Si.

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illusionstwice Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: DiRtY JerZ Age: 26 Posts: 19,564 The original --> "J" <-- iTrader: 8 / 100%	SOunds like a plan. Keep us posted. I am going ot let my dealer keep mine overnight to duplicate the problem as well, but I am going to wait until winter because right now I rarely feel the 3rd gear popping. U know how that goes.... PLease post updates when u hear somethign!

08-26-2007, 03:07 PM	#3 (permalink)
Skylinegtr06 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Chula Vista SD Age: 18 Posts: 5,745 edwyn(male) iTrader: 1 / 100%	As for the third gear problems I highly doubt honda is going to do anything about it, I mean the porsche 996 gt3s have second gear problems and that is a 100k+ car and even though porsche replaced the trans there are still problems

08-26-2007, 03:25 PM	#4 (permalink)
*07BlakBlak* Big Froggin Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Squat Rack Posts: 2,158 iTrader: 0 / 0%	LOL 1 in 150 Si's have the issue? I would say its closer to 120 in 150....

08-26-2007, 04:37 PM	#7 (permalink)
r18power Senior Member Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 442 iTrader: 0 / 0%	i don't get why everybody is making things harder than they need to be. it's been proven time and time again that switching the transmission fluid is all that's needed. if they see u have a prob, tell them to change the fluid and be on your way. all this lemon law crap for a fluid change.

08-26-2007, 05:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
CivicBeater Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Clayton, NC Posts: 2,230 Eric iTrader: 2 / 100%	I dropped mine overnight this past friday and they couldn't duplicate the problem. Monday they are going to call the "tech line" to see what they have to say.

08-26-2007, 11:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
nayilsi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: You mean nothing to me Posts: 9,648 iTrader: 0 / 0%	150/150 have the issue.... actually the ones not having problems are the girls whor driving the SI....gentle shift ftl

08-27-2007, 09:26 AM	#13 (permalink)
NIGHTHAWKSI Senior Member Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: long island Age: 23 Posts: 14,735 Ian iTrader: 13 / 100%	i dont think a new transmission will fix the problem. there are si's to this day that are still being built and delivered with 3rd gear problems, which means the transmission has not been changed/updated. your new transmission is going to do the same as the old....ask them to replace teh synchros rather than a new trans...

08-27-2007, 01:28 PM	#14 (permalink)
HONDACARE Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Phoenix Age: 27 Posts: 1,683 Gabe iTrader: 13 / 100%	This may shed some light http://forums.clubsi.com/ubbthreads....44#Post1794044

08-27-2007, 04:57 PM	#19 (permalink)
Duce2k Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,916 iTrader: 4 / 100%	Sorry to hear that rallykid, I hope they take care of you

08-27-2007, 05:34 PM	#20 (permalink)
nayilsi Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: You mean nothing to me Posts: 9,648 iTrader: 0 / 0%	bottomline if the RSX S owners didnt receive any treatment... why should we ? ( according to Honda )