Converting DBW to throttle cable possible?

[dannn]

Originally Posted by blueroadster

BTW...I don't believe that DBW hogwash as being an excuse for the delay of K-Pro. Instead of a cable, an electronic signal is sent from the throttle body to indicate the plate position to the ECM via a 0-5V reading. This is actually better since the output is being sent directly to the computer in digital form.

0-5v is not a digital signal. a digital signal is either on or off. a voltage range like 0-5v is an analog signal.

on the si the accelerator pedal position sensor sends the drivers request to the ecu. then the ecu will evaluate the request and send it to the throttle motor.
the motor moves to where the ecu tells it to move. not always where the driver wants it to be.

[blueroadster]

Originally Posted by dannn

0-5v is not a digital signal. a digital signal is either on or off. a voltage range like 0-5v is an analog signal.

on the si the accelerator pedal position sensor sends the drivers request to the ecu. then the ecu will evaluate the request and send it to the throttle motor.
the motor moves to where the ecu tells it to move. not always where the driver wants it to be.

Thanks for the correction...I meant to say that the signal is sent in electronic form and not digital. I know that digital is on/off whereas analog is a waveform.

[dannn]

Originally Posted by blueroadster

Thanks for the correction...I meant to say that the signal is sent in electronic form and not digital. I know that digital is on/off whereas analog is a waveform.

of course its in electronic form
how else would the ecu get throttle position information

[Highrev1]

From the dead...After contemplating this I was thinking

The K-Pro ECU isn't compatible with the new digitial dash that comes with the FG. So the gauges would need to be replaced. If you used a S2000 Gauge cluster which are like $50 bucks. Use that for the gauges then utalize a RSX wiring harness, you could essentally run K-pro, and convert to Cable.

The only real issue would be wiring the gauge cluster but with a little patience it can be done. In fact I have seen it done, let me find it.

I have a Throttle body off of an Older K-series so thats free. Although for it to work with our Manifold I will need the KARCEPTS TB Adapter.

Wiring harness 250
Throttle cable 25
S2k Gauges 50
K-pro 1000
Throttle body FREE

$1325 Convert and K-proed. What am I missing here.

[situner3]

I hate the DBW so much on this car. I had an 04 EP3 before this car and the only thing that i like about this car is the power that the engine has.

The first person on here to do a throttle cable conversion needs to post a full how-to because I am sure that a lot of people on this forum will be trying to do that. Why are they making these cars so much of a pita to tune. And dont they realize how the dbw has so many bugs and issues with it that is probably was not a good idea to put it in at all.


im just so mad about the all the driveability issues with this car.

sorry for venting everyone.

[benmunger]

[benmunger]

Originally Posted by situner3

I hate the DBW so much on this car. I had an 04 EP3 before this car and the only thing that i like about this car is the power that the engine has.

The first person on here to do a throttle cable conversion needs to post a full how-to because I am sure that a lot of people on this forum will be trying to do that. Why are they making these cars so much of a pita to tune. And dont they realize how the dbw has so many bugs and issues with it that is probably was not a good idea to put it in at all.


im just so mad about the all the driveability issues with this car.

sorry for venting everyone.

I know people that have DBW S2000s and they love there DBW.

[hialeahzbg]

U barely notice it on the s2k tho....atleast I don't...

[Mateen]

I believe all the lag we experience could be just a programming issue. If that is the case, then we are at the mercy of Honda to decide when, we, the Civic owners are worthy of an upgrade.
Please do elaborate.

PS: I had Honda do an 07 ecu upgrade on my 06 A/T ex coupe. The only difference I noticed was the jolt you get from downshifting to first (AT) has changed from 8-9 mph to 5-6 mph.

[chugiboi]

wait for k-pro and see if they can eliminate the DBW issues.

[blackrose]

i chagned all the electircal wirers that hook up the the alt to the fuse box and the white wire to the battery and notice that not only the dbw trottle resondes better but the steering responds is less sloopy. and all the ground wires were changed......believe me or not.....its your lost.... cause i love the way my r18 accerates now and handles


all wires have been changed to a 4ga wire and dont ripe on me say how would that effect the steering and throttle considering that they both are electronic based equipment

[microjubei]

Originally Posted by situner3

I hate the DBW so much on this car. I had an 04 EP3 before this car and the only thing that i like about this car is the power that the engine has.

The first person on here to do a throttle cable conversion needs to post a full how-to because I am sure that a lot of people on this forum will be trying to do that. Why are they making these cars so much of a pita to tune. And dont they realize how the dbw has so many bugs and issues with it that is probably was not a good idea to put it in at all.


im just so mad about the all the driveability issues with this car.

sorry for venting everyone.

its been done, I was in a HONDA TUNING magazine I believe from this yr (may have been mentioned earlier in this thread).....I'll go through my old issues to get you the month and article title

[blueroadster]

Originally Posted by blackrose

i chagned all the electircal wirers that hook up the the alt to the fuse box and the white wire to the battery and notice that not only the dbw trottle resondes better but the steering responds is less sloopy. and all the ground wires were changed......believe me or not.....its your lost.... cause i love the way my r18 accerates now and handles


all wires have been changed to a 4ga wire and dont ripe on me say how would that effect the steering and throttle considering that they both are electronic based equipment

Some of that is in your head. All of the R18 Civics have a belt driven power steering pump. Only the K20 Civics have electric power steering.

[blackrose]

what ever you say chaptin then please explain to me why when i took the wires back off that and put the oginial wires back on it was sleppy and slow agian......................its not in my mind so back off your it all in you mind bullshit

[blueroadster]

Originally Posted by blackrose

what ever you say chaptin then please explain to me why when i took the wires back off that and put the oginial wires back on it was sleppy and slow agian......................its not in my mind so back off your it all in you mind bullshit

Having a bad day?

I was merely pointing out that your car does not have electric power steering so it does not make sense how changing some wires resulted in a belt driven power steering pump to work better to result in less sloppy steering response.

[blackrose]

i dont know maybe the ecu can respond better to to my motions because there is more eletric flow.......... i dont know im new at this and it you could explain to me how it work that would be cool. and no iam not in a bad mood

[FBFG]

Originally Posted by Highrev1

From the dead...After contemplating this I was thinking

The K-Pro ECU isn't compatible with the new digitial dash that comes with the FG. So the gauges would need to be replaced. If you used a S2000 Gauge cluster which are like $50 bucks. Use that for the gauges then utalize a RSX wiring harness, you could essentally run K-pro, and convert to Cable.

The only real issue would be wiring the gauge cluster but with a little patience it can be done. In fact I have seen it done, let me find it.

I have a Throttle body off of an Older K-series so thats free. Although for it to work with our Manifold I will need the KARCEPTS TB Adapter.

Wiring harness 250
Throttle cable 25
S2k Gauges 50
K-pro 1000
Throttle body FREE

$1325 Convert and K-proed. What am I missing here.

Whatever happened with this?