To replace MTF or not to replace MTF! thats the question

93sidood · 02-24-2007, 04:31 PM

Okay, my 2nd gear has been acting up on me. I also have the usual notchy
3rd. I believe i should replace my Manual Transmission Fluid to clear that problem up. Ive heard it does. So, i call the service dept. at my dealership to set up an appointment to replace the fluid. I told the servicer my problem, and also asked if there is a better MTF that honda has. He said it could be a possible problem that the fluid will not change. I am stuck on what i should do. I am thinking about replacing my MTF with Amsoil MTF. Comment and suggestions please.

***Zeuceone*** · 02-24-2007, 04:34 PM

replaceing your mtf will solve the problem go with gm synchromesh friction modified. you can buy it at a gm dealer. thats what i us and its great.

93sidood · 02-24-2007, 04:50 PM

oh, okay. What viscosity(sp?) I think my problem grinding 2nd might me just being in too much of a hurry to push the clutch all the way.

***Zeuceone*** · 02-24-2007, 04:55 PM

just ask them for the gm synchromesh FRICTION MODIFED transmission fluid. theres a diy on how to replace it. it should take about a 1 1/2 quarts. so buy 2 quarts. beleive me it will solve the problem and make it even better than new.

93sidood · 02-24-2007, 05:10 PM

I just called my dealer to talk about warranties, and asked if i put any non-approved MTF in the transmission the warranty WILL be voided. He also told me that changing my fluid i will just be wasting money because it wont fix anything, because supposably their all the same...

reaper702 · 02-24-2007, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 93sidood

I just called my dealer to talk about warranties, and asked if i put any non-approved MTF in the transmission the warranty WILL be voided. He also told me that changing my fluid i will just be wasting money because it wont fix anything, because supposably their all the same...

did you ask them what is and isn't approved? i highly doubt they would not approve amsoil syncromesh, redline mtf, motul mtf, penzoil, royal purple, etc. as they MEET or EXCEED manufacturer specfiications. now that they are the same?

that is a joke. change it and find out for yourself.

btw did they also tell you that you have to use honda oil to keep your warranty too?

***Zeuceone*** · 02-24-2007, 05:43 PM

thats not true they are lieng or just stupid fing morons. some honda dealers have been buying the gm synchromesh and using it for this problem with the third gear. the third gear problem is not only on the 06 cars but others in the past.

93sidood · 02-24-2007, 05:43 PM

Yes, but i know the service guy i was talking to had no real idea what he was talking about. But, i will not be able to change my MTF myself. And, i need my warranty

. I asked if i would be able to put GM synchromesh friction modified in it and told me it will void it. And, i believe if i said any other brand that wasnt honda he would say the same.

***Zeuceone*** · 02-24-2007, 05:46 PM

go to a local auto shop and ask them how much will they cahrge you to change the tranny fluid shouldnt be more than like $20 - 30. it will not void your warranty or cause any problems. gm uses the tranny fluid on their corvettes i doubt they would risk ruening such an expensive car.

***Zeuceone*** · 02-24-2007, 05:49 PM

everyone who has replaced their tranny fluid has been amazed by the huge improvement in shifting. if i would of know about it when i first bought my car thats the first thing i would of changed.

93sidood · 02-24-2007, 05:52 PM

Ya. Ill try to talk to someone more intelligent on the matter. But they all seem to think the fluid isnt the problem...

Sidenote- My father has a corvette and it shifts so smooth! /endbragging

***Zeuceone*** · 02-24-2007, 05:54 PM

well im telling from experience that it does and i dont know why its taking you so long to do.

93sidood · 02-24-2007, 06:04 PM

Well, my dad bought the car. i have to respect him. He wants to keep the warranty. So, i have to make sure i keep the warranty at all costs. Im going to the dealership on monday to get my 1st oil change. I will try to talk to the most knowledgable service manager to see what my options are.

***Zeuceone*** · 02-24-2007, 06:10 PM

well its your choice it will not void your warranty

jcxcr4000 · 02-24-2007, 06:34 PM

i changed my mtf with amsoil syncromesh shifts so nice now

reaper702 · 02-24-2007, 07:24 PM

try another dealership that isn't filled with douche bags. they are complete morons. my dealer switched mine to amsoil syncromesh and had no problems. all the gears are silky smooth and no more 3rd notchyness.

SiCop · 02-24-2007, 08:08 PM

I changed over to Amsoil Synchromesh 5W-30 Synthetic MTF and it makes a HUGE difference - much better shifts, much smoother, especially from 2nd to 3rd.

The Magnuson-Moss act of 1975 prevents, by law, dealers doing to consumers exactly what your dealer is telling you - it's against the law for any dealer to require that you use their parts in order to retain your warranty - provided that the aftermarket part meets or exceeds manufacturer specs - the Amsoil and any other good MTF meets or exceeds Honda specs. Amsoil has some pretty good information about this on their website and a letter that you could send to your dealer to "wake him up".
If the transmission were to have a problem, Honda would have to prove (on their dime) that the Amsoil, or whatever other fluid, caused the problem - that they would not be able to do.

The Amsoil WILL make a big difference in the gearbox.

93sidood · 02-25-2007, 02:51 AM

^^awesome info! thanks for the help! ill be ordering some Amsoil MTF ASAP

Skylinegtr06 · 02-25-2007, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SiCop

I changed over to Amsoil Synchromesh 5W-30 Synthetic MTF and it makes a HUGE difference - much better shifts, much smoother, especially from 2nd to 3rd.

The Magnuson-Moss act of 1975 prevents, by law, dealers doing to consumers exactly what your dealer is telling you - it's against the law for any dealer to require that you use their parts in order to retain your warranty - provided that the aftermarket part meets or exceeds manufacturer specs - the Amsoil and any other good MTF meets or exceeds Honda specs. Amsoil has some pretty good information about this on their website and a letter that you could send to your dealer to "wake him up".
If the transmission were to have a problem, Honda would have to prove (on their dime) that the Amsoil, or whatever other fluid, caused the problem - that they would not be able to do.

The Amsoil WILL make a big difference in the gearbox.

Ah yes, the law system of america really helps its people

jasongg06 · 02-25-2007, 03:28 AM

hey guys, maybe a stupid question but, will changing my transmission fluid (automatic) have any effects on the shifting??

02-24-2007, 04:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
93sidood Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 76 iTrader: 1 / 100%	To replace MTF or not to replace MTF! thats the question Okay, my 2nd gear has been acting up on me. I also have the usual notchy 3rd. I believe i should replace my Manual Transmission Fluid to clear that problem up. Ive heard it does. So, i call the service dept. at my dealership to set up an appointment to replace the fluid. I told the servicer my problem, and also asked if there is a better MTF that honda has. He said it could be a possible problem that the fluid will not change. I am stuck on what i should do. I am thinking about replacing my MTF with Amsoil MTF. Comment and suggestions please.

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02-24-2007, 04:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
*Zeuceone* Kill Your Self Krew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Killa Cali. Posts: 57,800 iTrader: 26 / 100%	replaceing your mtf will solve the problem go with gm synchromesh friction modified. you can buy it at a gm dealer. thats what i us and its great.

02-24-2007, 04:50 PM	#3 (permalink)
93sidood Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 76 iTrader: 1 / 100%	oh, okay. What viscosity(sp?) I think my problem grinding 2nd might me just being in too much of a hurry to push the clutch all the way.

02-24-2007, 04:55 PM	#4 (permalink)
*Zeuceone* Kill Your Self Krew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Killa Cali. Posts: 57,800 iTrader: 26 / 100%	just ask them for the gm synchromesh FRICTION MODIFED transmission fluid. theres a diy on how to replace it. it should take about a 1 1/2 quarts. so buy 2 quarts. beleive me it will solve the problem and make it even better than new.

02-24-2007, 05:10 PM	#5 (permalink)
93sidood Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 76 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I just called my dealer to talk about warranties, and asked if i put any non-approved MTF in the transmission the warranty WILL be voided. He also told me that changing my fluid i will just be wasting money because it wont fix anything, because supposably their all the same...

02-24-2007, 05:43 PM	#7 (permalink)
*Zeuceone* Kill Your Self Krew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Killa Cali. Posts: 57,800 iTrader: 26 / 100%	thats not true they are lieng or just stupid fing morons. some honda dealers have been buying the gm synchromesh and using it for this problem with the third gear. the third gear problem is not only on the 06 cars but others in the past.

02-24-2007, 05:43 PM	#8 (permalink)
93sidood Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 76 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Yes, but i know the service guy i was talking to had no real idea what he was talking about. But, i will not be able to change my MTF myself. And, i need my warranty . I asked if i would be able to put GM synchromesh friction modified in it and told me it will void it. And, i believe if i said any other brand that wasnt honda he would say the same.

02-24-2007, 05:46 PM	#9 (permalink)
*Zeuceone* Kill Your Self Krew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Killa Cali. Posts: 57,800 iTrader: 26 / 100%	go to a local auto shop and ask them how much will they cahrge you to change the tranny fluid shouldnt be more than like $20 - 30. it will not void your warranty or cause any problems. gm uses the tranny fluid on their corvettes i doubt they would risk ruening such an expensive car.

02-24-2007, 05:49 PM	#10 (permalink)
*Zeuceone* Kill Your Self Krew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Killa Cali. Posts: 57,800 iTrader: 26 / 100%	everyone who has replaced their tranny fluid has been amazed by the huge improvement in shifting. if i would of know about it when i first bought my car thats the first thing i would of changed.

02-24-2007, 05:52 PM	#11 (permalink)
93sidood Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 76 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Ya. Ill try to talk to someone more intelligent on the matter. But they all seem to think the fluid isnt the problem... Sidenote- My father has a corvette and it shifts so smooth! /endbragging

02-24-2007, 05:54 PM	#12 (permalink)
*Zeuceone* Kill Your Self Krew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Killa Cali. Posts: 57,800 iTrader: 26 / 100%	well im telling from experience that it does and i dont know why its taking you so long to do.

02-24-2007, 06:04 PM	#13 (permalink)
93sidood Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 76 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Well, my dad bought the car. i have to respect him. He wants to keep the warranty. So, i have to make sure i keep the warranty at all costs. Im going to the dealership on monday to get my 1st oil change. I will try to talk to the most knowledgable service manager to see what my options are.

02-24-2007, 06:10 PM	#14 (permalink)
*Zeuceone* Kill Your Self Krew Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Killa Cali. Posts: 57,800 iTrader: 26 / 100%	well its your choice it will not void your warranty

02-24-2007, 06:34 PM	#15 (permalink)
jcxcr4000 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: verona, pa Age: 25 Posts: 372 joel iTrader: 0 / 0%	i changed my mtf with amsoil syncromesh shifts so nice now

02-24-2007, 07:24 PM	#16 (permalink)
reaper702 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Sin City Age: 21 Posts: 4,308 iTrader: 8 / 100%	try another dealership that isn't filled with douche bags. they are complete morons. my dealer switched mine to amsoil syncromesh and had no problems. all the gears are silky smooth and no more 3rd notchyness.

02-24-2007, 08:08 PM	#17 (permalink)
SiCop Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 74 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I changed over to Amsoil Synchromesh 5W-30 Synthetic MTF and it makes a HUGE difference - much better shifts, much smoother, especially from 2nd to 3rd. The Magnuson-Moss act of 1975 prevents, by law, dealers doing to consumers exactly what your dealer is telling you - it's against the law for any dealer to require that you use their parts in order to retain your warranty - provided that the aftermarket part meets or exceeds manufacturer specs - the Amsoil and any other good MTF meets or exceeds Honda specs. Amsoil has some pretty good information about this on their website and a letter that you could send to your dealer to "wake him up". If the transmission were to have a problem, Honda would have to prove (on their dime) that the Amsoil, or whatever other fluid, caused the problem - that they would not be able to do. The Amsoil WILL make a big difference in the gearbox.

02-25-2007, 02:51 AM	#18 (permalink)
93sidood Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 76 iTrader: 1 / 100%	^^awesome info! thanks for the help! ill be ordering some Amsoil MTF ASAP

02-25-2007, 03:28 AM	#20 (permalink)
jasongg06 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 626 So Cal Posts: 1,263 iTrader: 0 / 0%	hey guys, maybe a stupid question but, will changing my transmission fluid (automatic) have any effects on the shifting??