Hit curb, roof buckle/frame damage

[apor1a]

OK, so I ran over a median in a parking lot jutting out in the dark on the passenger side, tore a hole in the oil pan, bent the cradle (subframe) and bent the LCA, bent wheel, but didn't pop the tire. Well, it was parked at a friends and he said it was vandalized trying to break into it though the sunroof. But, it doesn't seem right. It looks like the roof buckled and creased the corners around where the sunroof is. The shop already did the mechanical work (insurance sent it to a ford dealership, they shipped to the Honda dealer, and Momday the ford dealer is doing the body work)
and didn't mention any frame damage or anything. What do you guys think? My friend saus it looks like somebody tried to break by standing on it or around it to try to get in. Any help would be appreciated so I know the rest route to take for repairs.

[w00t692]

You didn't hit a curb. You ******* murdered it.

[apor1a]

Originally Posted by w00t692

You didn't hit a curb. You ******* murdered it.

Indeed, but do think that with all mentioned above if it's actually frame damage and buckled roof or it really was vandalism?

[w00t692]

someone would be an idiot to break in by trying to pry the sunroof back. I doubt they did that.

[Lysol]

Not sure how anyone would do that while trying to get in through the roof...at the same time, I think you would have set off a few air bags if you hit that curb hard enough to do that. Do you know if the shop actually put it on a frame machine before fixing or did a 4 wheel alignment after fixing it? Either of those two would be a good way to check if the frame is fuxd.

[apor1a]

Originally Posted by Lysol

Not sure how anyone would do that while trying to get in through the roof...at the same time, I think you would have set off a few air bags if you hit that curb hard enough to do that. Do you know if the shop actually put it on a frame machine before fixing or did a 4 wheel alignment after fixing it? Either of those two would be a good way to check if the frame is fuxd.

They had it on an alignment rack, but they didn't check the frame as far as I know. I am stressed out now, all my searching for others with this issue has lead to reading where adjusters claiming they had never heard of this before, yet it's happened to quite a few others on other boards, all smaller sport compact cars. The gap on the fenders and door are pretty much the same, it was used when my fiance got it so who knows. Cracked the windshield where there was acrack and up halfway across. So should I talk to the insurance first, or with the shop about which route is best? We don't want them to write it off as totalled if the frame/unibody is trashed.

[Lysol]

Tough to say. Perhaps you could call up the shop and tell them your concerns, minus the possible theft part of course, and let them rule out the possibilities (just tell them you just noticed that after your first proper inspection post accident/repair). Hopefully the won't charge you to / verify since they just did work on it (and they probably should have verified that there was not frame damage in the first place).

[apor1a]

Originally Posted by Lysol

Tough to say. Perhaps you could call up the shop and tell them your concerns, minus the possible theft part of course, and let them rule out the possibilities. Hopefully the won't charge you to / verify since they just did work on it (and they probably should have verified that there was not frame damage in the first place).

That makes sense, I was leaning in that direction. The mechanic I had talked to on the phone several times seemed like a cool cat, pretty young, didn't give me typical shop spin. He may only have to just call the Ford house and say "Hey, that civic also has roof buckle from the impact" and they will amend the claim to cover it.

[dc5guy09]

plus the sunroof seal would be all jacked if some one tryed to pry it

[Nevtec]

Originally Posted by apor1a

OK, so I ran over a median in a parking lot jutting out in the dark on the passenger side, tore a hole in the oil pan, bent the cradle (subframe) and bent the LCA, bent wheel, but didn't pop the tire. Well, it was parked at a friends and he said it was vandalized trying to break into it though the sunroof. But, it doesn't seem right. It looks like the roof buckled and creased the corners around where the sunroof is. The shop already did the mechanical work (insurance sent it to a ford dealership, they shipped to the Honda dealer, and Momday the ford dealer is doing the body work)
and didn't mention any frame damage or anything. What do you guys think? My friend saus it looks like somebody tried to break by standing on it or around it to try to get in. Any help would be appreciated so I know the rest route to take for repairs.
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I see this a lot when a car gets put in a ditch. Your frame should be fine. Your body just tweaked enough to cause that, 9 times out of 10 the body flex that occurred goes back to the original position. If your body panels all line up and your doors open/close the same as they did prior to the curb and the alignment is within spec then your probably fine. Adding the repair time to the roof won't total your car even if they want to put a skin on your should be ok.

[rcv86]

You have those dents on your roof cause your car flexed when you hit the curve not cause somebody when on top of your car. My friends si have those dents too! He hit a curve one snowy night! =/

[luciphear]

that'll buff right out

[RippinTX]

I think its common to get dents in the sunroof around that area and since you hit a curb. yours are a little bigger. some people get very slight ones from chassis flex. just a weak point on the car.

[apor1a]

Now begins the dance of me talking to shop, talking to insurance, then talking to me, then the lot calling me back, here we go... off to the circle-jerk..

[higher being]

haha maybe this is a good time to get a carbon roof replacement

[snizzletoff]

I don't think you could possibly hit a curb hard enough to cause that issue to the roof. It was clearly another cause other than hitting the curb.

[apor1a]

Originally Posted by snizzletoff

I don't think you could possibly hit a curb hard enough to cause that issue to the roof. It was clearly another cause other than hitting the curb.

As it turns out, this is apparently not uncommon with newer unibody cars. The impact was brutal, to say the least. The 2 worst ones are the drivers front and passenger rear corner, exactly where the stress would be put if you were to nail the front passenger corner. I hate how the lot says "in 25 years I haven't seen it" when you can simply Google it and see similar cases.
You also find where people always get the same spin from insurance and dealerships when this has happened, too.

I didn't hit a curb, I went over a median in a parking lot, and it's lowered, doing over a touch over 30. The force was directed upward on the frame, not a lateral impact from bouncing off a curb.

[dem2757]

anyone with a sunroof can hear it slightly flexing when you drive the car slowly over an uneven flat surface, say a driveway and the road. when you corner on that you can hear the seal on the window slightly rub against the roof frame.

that is definitely from the median, and if they try not to cover it, throw the physics talk in there

[apor1a]

Originally Posted by dem2757

anyone with a sunroof can hear it slightly flexing when you drive the car slowly over an uneven flat surface, say a driveway and the road. when you corner on that you can hear the seal on the window slightly rub against the roof frame.

that is definitely from the median, and if they try not to cover it, throw the physics talk in there

Yeah, I have had a few more people look at it, all similar story, I wanted to have some reassurance when battling to get it fixed.

[dem2757]

plus more fuel for your argument, like also said above, if someone tried to break in, the seal would be trashed completely from a prybar etc. plus those dimples arent reflective of attempted forced entry