Honda Bulletin

[wixxer]

Hi folks... don't know if this was ever posted before, but I've been having the hesitation problems in my 07 si... This is what the dealer sent me. Hope this helps


Service Bulletin© 2006 American Honda Motor Co., Inc. – All Rights ReservedATB 33218 (0608)1 of 1

CUSTOMER INFORMATION:The information in this bulletin is intended for use only by skilled technicians who have the proper tools, equipment,and training to correctly and safely maintain your vehicle. These procedures should not be attempted by “do-it-yourselfers,” and you should not assumethis bulletin applies to your vehicle, or that your vehicle has the condition described.
To determine whether this information applies, contact anauthorized Honda automobile dealer.
August 9, 200606-052Applies To:
2006 Civic Si – From VIN 2HGFG2...6H700001 thru 2HGFG2...6H707606

Engine RPM Does Not Immediately Drop When Shifting Gears, Vehicle Surges When Driving in 1st GearBACKGROUNDSome customers may notice that the engine rpm does not immediately drop when shifting gears, and/or the vehicle surges when driving in 1st gear.

CORRECTIVE ACTION
Use the HDS to update the PGM-FI software in the ECM. NOTE: This software update will improve, but not completely eliminate, the characteristics described in the
BACKGROUND section of this bulletin.

SOFTWARE INFORMATION
Program ID: RBA050P/N: 37820-RRB-A05, H/C 8414369WARRANTY

CLAIM INFORMATION
In warranty: The normal warranty applies.Operation Number: 125517Flat Rate Time:0.3 hourFailed Part:P/N 37820-RRB-A05HC 8414369Defect Code:03217Symptom Code:09114Template ID:06-052ASkill Level:Repair TechnicianOut of warranty: Any repair performed after warranty expiration may be eligible for goodwill consideration bythe District Parts and Service Manager or your ZoneOffice. You must request consideration, and get a decision, before starting work.

REPAIR PROCEDURE
Use the HDS with software version 2.005.004 or laterto update the ECM PGM-FI software. Refer to Service Bulletin 01-023, Updating the Control Units/Modules.

[Jester FPS]

it's a known problem with 06 si's too, that's weird they haven't fixed it for 2007's models...

[wixxer]

I wonder how well the update works. Does anybody know someone who has had this update done from Honda? Hopefully, I can get my car fixed next week.

[Jester FPS]

I got it, it fixes the hang very well though not completely.

[atruhondagrl]

From VIN 2HGFG2...6H700001 thru 2HGFG2...6H707606

The parts I highlighted are the year on your VIN. These vins are still for a 2006 model. Yours would look like 2HGFG21537H0XXXXX if it is an '07. If it says 6 your dealer lied.

[wixxer]

My vin has a 7 in it... The hesitation only happens when I haven't driven the car for a while, like in the mornings. The rev hang happens more often though.

[Cybergypsy]

Originally Posted by wixxer

My vin has a 7 in it... The hesitation only happens when I haven't driven the car for a while, like in the mornings. The rev hang happens more often though.

There has been more problems with the FIX, do a search....

[atruhondagrl]

Originally Posted by wixxer

My vin has a 7 in it... The hesitation only happens when I haven't driven the car for a while, like in the mornings. The rev hang happens more often though.

Let it warm up for a while. I usually wait until there are 3 bars on the temp. It takes forever though.

Originally Posted by Cybergypsy

There has been more problems with the FIX, do a search....

Anymore, I can barely tell I ever had the thing done. What I hate, is say I'm moving forward in traffic, I'll creep up in first then put the car in neutral. The damned thing surges for a few seconds. Then it seems like the Tach needle is coming down as it sees fit. That is what annoys me most.

[articsilber323]

i also have an 07 but i called honda of american and they said that that is for the 06?


anyone have a tsb number for a 07 si

[ADewan]

the rev hang is much worse on the pre flashed 06 Si, google some videos about it and you'll see.

[HoNdA06]

Someone explained to me that it is a safety mechanism in reference compression issues. Lets see. When the engine is cold the whole engine compartment is more compact thus producing more power. But if that power band goes beyond certain RPM's the engine could slowly begin to develope wear and tear. As the engine heats up the surge will occur at a greater RPM. Most dragsters I know turn off thier engines before racing to get better times. However in the Civic, the Surge is like a rev limiter for protection. A friend who works for Honda explained this to me, but he also said that it's ok to do your reflash.

[Pdl2thmdl]

I have an 07. I really hate driving the car cold so I like to warm it up to 3-4 bars before taking off. I only really noticed a bad rev hang within the first 400-500 miles of the car, now it seems to have settled much better (1000+ miles). I don't think the 07 has that bad of a rev hang. Maybe I got more used to it.

[oncesir]

Originally Posted by wixxer

This software update will improve, but not completely eliminate, the characteristics described in the
BACKGROUND section of this bulletin.

The 07 model yr has the most current ecm program. Only the vehicles that fall within the VIN range listed in the bulletin are covered. For those 07 owners you may have to wait and see if Honda revises the bulletin to cover more vehicles. When the complaint isnt totally gone remember the quote above.

[06civicsiguy]

i did the reflash. and i think my car is slower now. it doesnt pull as hard in vtec as it did b4. i wana check and see if i can switch back to the old software.