*Merged* Country Of Origin Vs Quality

[RedCivic]

Just like to know which countries manufacture civics. My civic is made in Thailand and the quality is quite good and I have had no mechanical problems along with many people I have spoken to who own thai built civics in Australia.

Does the country of origin effect quality of a car cos I have noticed quite a few problems associated with US and Candian cars such as DBW lag. Which country are these cars built in?

Just concerned that the problems encountered by US an Candian owners might plague my civic some time in the future.

[skittleslegend]

I kind of do, but also kind of don't think country of origin has anything to do with quality, because there are plenty of cars built in US and Canada, that have high build quality. Likewise, there are plenty of vehicles built elsewhere that don't. I think it has a lot to do with how some facilities and employees are set up and trained vs. other facilities where things slip through cracks. Then again, Europe, Japan and Australia have a much lower tolerance for poor quality than we here in America do. We complain and complain, but in the end, most Americans just "settle" for sub-par quality.

The DBW lag is partially there as an bi-product of emissions-related software tuning.

[06CivEXJon]

Well it also depends on the supplier to Honda too. Since there was, and i still think there still is a shortage of nav units, on Civic SI, and other models aswell, as with manual transmission non SI's. Quality control, is also a factor at the plants. Notably the "Alliston Ontario" one where there isnt quality control whether there is or isnt is the question...

[kero]

My civic LX was canadian assembled and it's chock full O noises and issues!

[06CivEXJon]

Alliston,Ontario sucks, and is officially the worst plant that Honda has. My EX Coupe came out of there.

[8thgenuser]

My EX sedan is J-VIN. I haven't had an major problems, except that it looks so damn sexy, a big blue Cadillac Escalade decided to have a closer look and kiss my doors, causing $2K+ worth of damage.

I do have a problem with a glove box squeak though. I'm gonna bring it in to the dealership this week for a look.

One of our moderators had an early '06 Civic that was also J-VIN and he had a bunch of problems.

[wing_gundam]

My EX sedan was made in Alliston and its great! Practically silent, no alignment issues, and for instance, on this current tank of gas I have 630km (391 mi) with 4 bars left - estimating less than 6.5L/100km - so there :P

The real issues to building new cars is that they are new. The major plants here have only had a year, maybe two to produce these cars and since each cookie cutter is different for the sedans, hybrids, coups and sis and csxs it takes practice getting everything perfect. There is also the huge volume of production so maybe the plant takes less time on each car than other plants.

All I know is that my car is excellent, it doesn't leak anything and it looks good. Who cares?

[si_civic]

I feel another 'Canada has a lot of quality control issues' replies.

I don't own one yet, but hopefully my 07 would have ironed out all the bugs and crap.

HOWEVER....
You can compare updating cars to updating software. If you're a gamer like me, and you are all too familiar about update patches and how updates mess up other crap...... I can stop here.

[qwikz]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Alliston,Ontario sucks, and is officially the worst plant that Honda has. My EX Coupe came out of there.

Really? Where did you get that information from? Alliston was rated tops for quality and even surpassed Japan.
The more I read this site the more I realize theres alot of kids on here that dont know anything!!

ITS A FIRST YEAR PRODUCTION CAR PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!! You should have known that when you bought it!!
If your not happy with your car get rid of it and go buy something made in the "good ol usa"

[kero]

All I can say is my car is assembled out of canada and the fit and finish and other bugs are just not acceptable.

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by 8thgenuser

One of our moderators had an early '06 Civic that was also J-VIN and he had a bunch of problems.

That's me! lol

Yeah had an '06 LX sedan j-vin with an auto. No longer have it pissed me off so much. Anyway, it had a blown strut, squeeky front end (and no it wasn't the strut), going down the highway the drivers side window fell out of the track and I didn't like the fact it would shift to 5th gear at 35 MPH, which would then lug the engine down to somehwere around 1300 RPM, whcih is way to low for that engine. All that in 10 months, 14,000 miles of ownership.

Oh yeah, the tires on it where crap too, 14,000 miles and it was hydroplaning in only moderate rain.

it was produciton number 000754, if you where wondering.

I realize I probably am the exception having this civic and a lemon lawed '04 civic before that, so overall I still say civic's are the best quality car in there class, regardless of where they came from. My Accord is Ohio made nad has been fine so far, although it doesn't even have 1,000 miles yet

But it looks so NICEEEE, I know nothing can go wrong with it

[wing_gundam]

Originally Posted by kero

All I can say is my car is assembled out of canada and the fit and finish and other bugs are just not acceptable.

then go buy a gm and when you cry and say "what have i done? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" don't come crying back.

In fact there are ads all over this site im sure they will take you there. Bye now, thanks for the visit.

[kero]

Originally Posted by wing_gundam

then go buy a gm and when you cry and say "what have i done? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" don't come crying back.

In fact there are ads all over this site im sure they will take you there. Bye now, thanks for the visit.

I still like my car, I am only pointing out the fact that my canadian built LX sedan has many issues that have not be fixed by dealer. That is why I have a case open with Honda Car line and an appointment Monday with their assistance.

Pointing out that my car has bugs does not mean it's bad or I don't like, it's simply stating the truth.

There would be no boards or forums if everyone had only good things to say!

Throwing attitude in your post does nothing to make your point!

[Cybergypsy]

Originally Posted by wing_gundam

My EX sedan was made in Alliston and its great! Practically silent, no alignment issues, and for instance, on this current tank of gas I have 630km (391 mi) with 4 bars left - estimating less than 6.5L/100km - so there :P

The real issues to building new cars is that they are new. The major plants here have only had a year, maybe two to produce these cars and since each cookie cutter is different for the sedans, hybrids, coups and sis and csxs it takes practice getting everything perfect. There is also the huge volume of production so maybe the plant takes less time on each car than other plants.

All I know is that my car is excellent, it doesn't leak anything and it looks good. Who cares?

Ditto!!!!

[Cybergypsy]

Originally Posted by Jrfish007

That's me! lol

Yeah had an '06 LX sedan j-vin with an auto. No longer have it pissed me off so much. Anyway, it had a blown strut, squeeky front end (and no it wasn't the strut), going down the highway the drivers side window fell out of the track and I didn't like the fact it would shift to 5th gear at 35 MPH, which would then lug the engine down to somehwere around 1300 RPM, whcih is way to low for that engine. All that in 10 months, 14,000 miles of ownership.

Oh yeah, the tires on it where crap too, 14,000 miles and it was hydroplaning in only moderate rain.

it was produciton number 000754, if you where wondering.

I realize I probably am the exception having this civic and a lemon lawed '04 civic before that, so overall I still say civic's are the best quality car in there class, regardless of where they came from. My Accord is Ohio made nad has been fine so far, although it doesn't even have 1,000 miles yet

But it looks so NICEEEE, I know nothing can go wrong with it

you need to drive it more!!!!!!!!

[06CivEXJon]

Originally Posted by qwikz

Really? Where did you get that information from? Alliston was rated tops for quality and even surpassed Japan.
The more I read this site the more I realize theres alot of kids on here that dont know anything!!

ITS A FIRST YEAR PRODUCTION CAR PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!! You should have known that when you bought it!!
If your not happy with your car get rid of it and go buy something made in the "good ol usa"

Ok so you only have 4 posts total?!? you have no room to talk. Since the Civic is a first year model, the quality still should have been good. I doubt its improved for the 07 Civic models. I am very very dissapointed in Honda. I have been to my dealer 7-8 times already, and im sick of it. There are other 8th gen Civic owners that have problems too, so its not just my 06 Civic, its a lot of other people aswell. Where the hell, did you find information, about the Alliston plant being rated "good"?!? thats b***s***! let me some proof or you fail. There isnt any proof,that that plant was/is rated good. Find some proof for me because i dont believe you.

[skittleslegend]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Ok so you only have 4 posts total?!? you have no room to talk.

In all fairness, neither do you. You don't work at the Alliston plant, nor do you work for any publication that reviews quality control, nor are you an exception to the "first year model" rule. EVERY first year model has problems.

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Since the Civic is a first year model, the quality still should have been improved. I doubt its improved for the 07 Civic models.

And you know this how? You're doubting improvement in a second year model vehicle. Why? Because your own pessimism and disgust for a vehicle has led you to that conclusion, which, I'm sure is far from the truth. If you're that dissapointed, you need to address it with your dealer and see about getting a trade-in for an 07 model. Or perhaps some other make, like Toyota, who've been having their own quality control issues. No manufacturer is exempt. Every model car on the road has its own issues, especially in the first year of production.

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

I am very very dissapointed in Honda. I have been to my dealer 7-8 times already, and im sick of it. There are other 8th gen Civic owners that have problems too, so its not just my 06 Civic, its a lot of other people aswell.

Majority of the owners you're referring to, I'm almost positive, are here on the site. I'm sure there are quite a few other owners who've had problems as well, who don't even know this site exists, however, Honda has plans to sell 500,000+ Civics a year; of course there are going to be a few bad apples out of that bunch. But majority of the people here don't seem to have a bad apple (lemon if I'm being politically correct), just a couple bad components, which is totally understandable, because because first year models and redesigns typically do not share very many proven components from other currently available models. The newer and complicated things are, the more likely they are to break, which, again, I'm sure Honda has learned to fix.

[chylld]

Originally Posted by RedCivic

Just like to know which countries manufacture civics. My civic is made in Thailand and the quality is quite good and I have had no mechanical problems along with many people I have spoken to who own thai built civics in Australia.

i live in australia and took delivery of my thailand-built sport model late april this year. the first (1000km) service saw 10 distinct faults with the car, and the next (6 month) service will see 5 distinct faults (one of which is still remaining from the first service.)

also, upon dismantling my car for soundproofing, i found plastic wrappers still on the plastic door trim clips, as well as elastic cord underneath the front seats and excess plastic behind the door trim... clearly packaging material. if quality control in thailand were better i doubt that plastic wrapping would be seen sticking out the sides of the doors.

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by Cybergypsy

you need to drive it more!!!!!!!!

I've only had it 2 weeks lol

[qwikz]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Ok so you only have 4 posts total?!? you have no room to talk. Where the hell, did you find information, about the Alliston plant being rated "good"?!? thats b***s***! let me some proof or you fail. There isnt any proof,that that plant was/is rated good. Find some proof for me because i dont believe you.

Cause I fuc*king work at the plant you inbreed redneck. We were rated one of the best plants by JD POWERS and the CEO of Honda himself not to mention numerous magazines and TV shows.Japan has aging factories and workers,quality is not what it was say 20 years ago.Alliston has the HIGHEST quality and EVERY single car that rolls out has various tests preformed on it before it's let out of the factory.Dynometer's,water leak,wind noise,high-speed test track,etc etc etc This type of testing is NOT done by other manufactures.

Do you think when a new model that is redesigned from top to bottom that its as simple of just telling the workers what to do .Workers have to be trained,machines and robots have to be re programmed and retooled, parts delivery has to be alerted,new part designs are sometimes changed a hundred times before they get the right one(this is based of dealer and customer feedback) and its all done on a line that sometimes builds three different models on the fly.

Lastly,don't ever tell me I have no room to talk you little prick,if there's a problem let the mods take care of it.
You should get YOUR facts straight before you flap your gums.Get rid of your car and go buy a north american product,im sure
there more then willing to take your cash right now.You must come from a family that thinks American,Detroit built cars are tops but let me tell you something,Ontario is the new auto capital of the world and all manufactures are propping up plants here so if you dont like it go buy a Mexican built VW,I heard there quality is very good.:rolleyes:

Another thing,next time you decide that you have to buy a FIRST YEAR production car wait until at least 8-9 months have gone by before you buy it.By then most of the bugs are ironed out.One other quick note.You think Honda is hard to deal with when it comes to warranty work then this must be the first new car you've ever owned.I have owned over 20 cars,try getting warranty work done by GM,VW,Suzuki or BMW.Honda WILL fix your problem if they feel it needs to be fixed.These are mass produced car,they are going to have little noise here and there.