*Merged* Country Of Origin Vs Quality

[06CivEXJon]

Originally Posted by qwikz

Cause I fuc*king work at the plant you inbreed redneck. We were rated one of the best plants by JD POWERS and the CEO of Honda himself not to mention numerous magazines and TV shows.Japan has aging factories and workers,quality is not what it was say 20 years ago.Alliston has the HIGHEST quality and EVERY single car that rolls out has various tests preformed on it before it's let out of the factory.Dynometer's,water leak,wind noise,high-speed test track,etc etc etc This type of testing is NOT done by other manufactures.

Do you think when a new model that is redesigned from top to bottom that its as simple of just telling the workers what to do .Workers have to be trained,machines and robots have to be re programmed and retooled, parts delivery has to be alerted,new part designs are sometimes changed a hundred times before they get the right one(this is based of dealer and customer feedback) and its all done on a line that sometimes builds three different models on the fly.

Lastly,don't ever tell me I have no room to talk you little prick,if there's a problem let the mods take care of it.
You should get YOUR facts straight before you flap your gums.Get rid of your car and go buy a north american product,im sure
there more then willing to take your cash right now.You must come from a family that thinks American,Detroit built cars are tops but let me tell you something,Ontario is the new auto capital of the world and all manufactures are propping up plants here so if you dont like it go buy a Mexican built VW,I heard there quality is very good.:rolleyes:

Another thing,next time you decide that you have to buy a FIRST YEAR production car wait until at least 8-9 months have gone by before you buy it.By then most of the bugs are ironed out.One other quick note.You think Honda is hard to deal with when it comes to warranty work then this must be the first new car you've ever owned.I have owned over 20 cars,try getting warranty work done by GM,VW,Suzuki or BMW.Honda WILL fix your problem if they feel it needs to be fixed.These are mass produced car,they are going to have little noise here and there.

Thats bullshit i dont believe you idiot. Plus im not a redneck you f*cking dumbass! stfu. Go back to your crap ass Alliston,Ontario plant, and continue to make crap quality vehicles asshole. Your f*ckin dumb,no way in hell would JD power award that plant, and give it a high rating no way in hell. Just dont talk because you only have 5 posts, so just dont say anything. Wow just wow,8-9 months? uh this car has been out way past that dumbass,and has the quality improved any? absolutely not. Your a complete moron and a dumb one to be exact so stfu idiot.

[kero]

Now now guys, let's behave, no need to get all bent out of shape over these things.

Everyone has a right to make their point, etc, regardless of post counts.

Let's keep it clean shall we, the topic is getting off the path!

[si_civic]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Thats bullshit i dont believe you idiot. Plus im not a redneck you f*cking dumbass! stfu. Go back to your crap ass Alliston,Ontario plant, and continue to make crap quality vehicles asshole. Your f*ckin dumb,no way in hell would JD power award that plant, and give it a high rating no way in hell. Just dont talk because you only have 5 posts, so just dont say anything. Wow just wow,8-9 months? uh this car has been out way past that dumbass,and has the quality improved any? absolutely not. Your a complete moron and a dumb one to be exact so stfu idiot.

I seriously think you have an anger management issue there Merican, not to mention serious grammatical errors in your sentence structures. Learn to spell "you're" correctly, and/or stay in school. Your use of commas are wrong, and misplaced. There is no such word as "uh" so stop using it please. I also find you are lazy, using ancronyms like "stfu"; Fingers too fat to spell the word out? Plus I don't respect you because you have over 1000 posts. Having a certain number of posts in a forum doesn't give you God-like powers. Ass.

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...ton%20plant%22

Read the JD Power and Associates. Honda's Alliston plant is in there. Ranked 3rd in the world for the Civic. Ass.

JD's initial quality is 5/5. Where is the final assembly? Alliston, Ontario, Canada. Ass.

[wing_gundam]

Hey qwikz,

If you do work at the plant then my hat's off to you! I'm not sure where you are on the line, but I wanna say thanks to everyone who put time and effort in to the car, and a company building excellent products. This civic is our family's 4th Honda/Acura and 2nd in more imediate and I just love it. I've already persuaded at least 2 others to get the car (that I know have since bought one). And both are just as satisfied as I am.

Sincerely,

A true honda boy (no rip offs intended :) )

[skittleslegend]

Sent PM's to both 06CivEXJon and qwikz. Anybody else posts anything like that and I will delete it. Keep this forum respectful.

[qwikz]

Wow that hurt my brain trying to read what you wrote,you honestly sound like your 14 so im not going to even bother with you anymore.
I dont have time to deal with kids.

BTW maybe you should take some reading lessons along with english lessons.I said don't buy a first year production car until at least 9 months after it's introduction,I didnt say they started building them 9 months ago.

Way too much wasted skin in the gene pool.

Sorry skittleslegend,but I just had to and in return you do what you have to do.

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Thats bullshit i dont believe you idiot. Plus im not a redneck you f*cking dumbass! stfu. Go back to your crap ass Alliston,Ontario plant, and continue to make crap quality vehicles asshole. Your f*ckin dumb,no way in hell would JD power award that plant, and give it a high rating no way in hell. Just dont talk because you only have 5 posts, so just dont say anything. Wow just wow,8-9 months? uh this car has been out way past that dumbass,and has the quality improved any? absolutely not. Your a complete moron and a dumb one to be exact so stfu idiot.

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Thats bullshit i dont believe you idiot. Plus im not a redneck you f*cking dumbass! stfu. Go back to your crap ass Alliston,Ontario plant, and continue to make crap quality vehicles asshole. Your f*ckin dumb,no way in hell would JD power award that plant, and give it a high rating no way in hell. Just dont talk because you only have 5 posts, so just dont say anything. Wow just wow,8-9 months? uh this car has been out way past that dumbass,and has the quality improved any? absolutely not. Your a complete moron and a dumb one to be exact so stfu idiot.

Normally I would delete this and send a PM, but since I got here late, and it seems everybody else has pretty much shunned you, I guess I don't have to do anything.

A couple pointers for you:

1. Don't call other people names on this forum. Not only is it against forum policy, but it just shows that you can not have a civil conversation. It make you look bad, and nobody listens to people yelling and calling names. Generally speaking, you have the opposite effect you want; more people are now going to go on to his side. You can be a much more effective person by simply learning to control your anger.

I will grant you he should not have called you a redneck, but you called him out first with a rather angry statement.

2. The number of post he has nothing to do with it. A person’s number of post only indicates how much time they spend on the boards; it communicates nothing about their intellectual level. So don't worry about post counts.

And it's not exactly like you have the highest post count around, so I wouldn't go bragging about it. One good post is worth far more than 1,500 bad ones.

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by si_civic

I seriously think you have an anger management issue there Merican, not to mention serious grammatical errors in your sentence structures. Learn to spell "you're" correctly, and/or stay in school. Your use of commas are wrong, and misplaced. There is no such word as "uh" so stop using it please. I also find you are lazy, using ancronyms like "stfu"; Fingers too fat to spell the word out? Plus I don't respect you because you have over 1000 posts. Having a certain number of posts in a forum doesn't give you God-like powers. Ass.

http://www.jdpower.com/corporate/new...ton%20plant%22

Read the JD Power and Associates. Honda's Alliston plant is in there. Ranked 3rd in the world for the Civic. Ass.

JD's initial quality is 5/5. Where is the final assembly? Alliston, Ontario, Canada. Ass.

Thanks for you facts from the link, but please don't agitate any more, we'll take care of any further comments.

[moxom]

Originally Posted by si_civic

Your use of commas are wrong, and misplaced.

I think you mean: Your use of commas is wrong, and misplaced.

[wing_gundam]

there shouldn't be a comma before and in that sentance either.

[si_civic]

Originally Posted by moxom

I think you mean: Your use of commas is wrong, and misplaced.

lol . In that context, using the word "are" was correct; past tense baby.

Originally Posted by qwikz

BTW maybe you should take some reading lessons along with english lessons.

I hope you think I wasn't talking to you dude, I'm totally on your side. It's unfortunate that 06CivicEXJohn feels like she must resort to immaturity to prove a point.

Originally Posted by Jrfish007

Thanks for you facts from the link, but please don't agitate any more, we'll take care of any further comments.

Who gave you the right to dictate this forum? lol jk.

Originally Posted by wing_gundam

there shouldn't be a comma before and in that sentance either.

You forgot to capitalize your "T" and "sentence" is spelled without an "a". LOL buggin you all.

[RedSIinPA]

Originally Posted by 06CivEXJon

Thats bullshit i dont believe you idiot. Plus im not a redneck you f*cking dumbass! stfu. Go back to your crap ass Alliston,Ontario plant, and continue to make crap quality vehicles asshole. Your f*ckin dumb,no way in hell would JD power award that plant, and give it a high rating no way in hell. Just dont talk because you only have 5 posts, so just dont say anything. Wow just wow,8-9 months? uh this car has been out way past that dumbass,and has the quality improved any? absolutely not. Your a complete moron and a dumb one to be exact so stfu idiot.

Authored removed overemotional comment. replaced by:
I don't think you contribute a single thing to this site. And your opinions don't count.

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by si_civic

Who gave you the right to dictate this forum? lol jk.

THis is really a dictatorship! lol j/k

[si_civic]

Originally Posted by Jrfish007

THis is really a dictatorship! lol j/k

LOL. We all like dictatorships!

and wow, RedSIinPA, I know your useless post was thankfully edited, but a copy of the original is in my email. Wow. This thread must be deleted. Quick.

DICTATORSHIP TO THE RESCUE *cough Jrfish007* (please lock this thread dude)



J R F I S H 0 0 7

[RedSIinPA]

yeah i know - sometimes I just lose it.

[psyshack]

I dont know about over all quality verses plants. I just know our Accord and Civic should have never left Ohio with there hoods adjusted as poorly as they were. I adjusted the Accord's hood and the dealer adjusted the Civic's hood. Its pretty sorry that the factory allows them to leave with such glaring fitment issues for a dealer to fix. And if the dealer dosent fix them then lay it on the custmers shoulders to make them fix it. That isnt right.

With issues like a poorly adjusted hood that I know several folks had to see and sign off on before the cars went out to a staging lot, one has to wonder if anybody ever checks the dash mount points? Its aparent nobody checked the ones on our Accord.

The Accord is going in saturday for its last round of warrenty investigation. The Civic has seemed to settle down.

I do think Honda has quality issues and there goal has been to build the best engines in the world and keep a high quality feel to the controls. Of which they have done. Paint, fitment and other areas have suffered.

I think we are seeing the first signs of GMish syndrome in Honda autos and motorcycles. I think Hondas getting to big for there pants. They are working in other areas like robitics and aircraft. You have to steal from Peter to pay Paul for this kinda stuff. Theres no way around it. Sure the robtics in the long run will help with production of other products down the line. As will tech. and matrials from there work in aircraft. I think a prime example is the over all thin paint jobs they put on the cars now days. Remove the EPA and the flat out over all low quality of the paint jobs. Your left with really thin paint. Good or bad. Putting just enough paint on to get by with leaves funds to go to other resources, IMO.

I think the problem is corprate greed and employee attidude in the long run. Not the plants as a whole or the engineering.

If I may.
I have a buddy thats a engineer with Ford and one with Saturn.

My buddy that works with Ford has been working for 3 years to improve there paint quality. And it shows, looking at the cars on the lot at the local Ford dealer. Fords still lagging in engine design and enginering. There new I4 is a step in the right direction. Even if it is a poorly done Honda knock off. :)

My other buddy works with Saturn engines. They have had many problems with pissed off employee's at a engine plant. The union gets a bug up there ass. So they start sneaking chicken bones into engines in the past. I would think some of this happens with our Honda's. A disgruntal employee can do alot of damage real fast.

I dont think its so much a plant location thing. Its the human and corprate element's that give us what we have.

Sorry for the long poorly writen and thought out post. :)

psy

[Jrfish007]

Originally Posted by si_civic

LOL. We all like dictatorships!

and wow, RedSIinPA, I know your useless post was thankfully edited, but a copy of the original is in my email. Wow. This thread must be deleted. Quick.

DICTATORSHIP TO THE RESCUE *cough Jrfish007* (please lock this thread dude)



J R F I S H 0 0 7

lol, that's funny. But there are so good points being expressed here, and I hate to shutdown the thread because a few bad apples. If it continues, I'll lock it though.

[RedSIinPA]

my apologies for being an agitator.

[Janizary]

Originally Posted by RedSIinPA

my apologies for being an agitator.

That's my job, cease and desist, or I saw lob a cow at you.

On a lighter note. I think I see a candidate for a new "Quote of the week" in one of those posts. Yay.

[RedSIinPA]

Originally Posted by Janizary

That's my job, cease and desist, or I saw lob a cow at you.

On a lighter note. I think I see a candidate for a new "Quote of the week" in one of those posts. Yay.

one of mine?