Problem with 3rd Gear?

[red_si_in_jersey]

Hey guys....I have this same problem with 3rd gear. I thought that it might be just lazy shifting into 3rd but it definitely "sometimes" doesn't go into 3rd as smoothly was the other gears. I just installed the Comp Tech short shifter and hope it might solve this problem. I might mention it to the dealer when I take it in for the reflash which is suppose to be out for the rev hold.

[Yodums]

You should still bring it into the dealer and have them look at it though. Just tell them the problem occurs when you single clutch shift, but not when you double clutch, so there could be a problem with the synchros.

[imtim25]

Originally Posted by Yodums

You should still bring it into the dealer and have them look at it though. Just tell them the problem occurs when you single clutch shift, but not when you double clutch, so there could be a problem with the synchros.

i'll make an appointment as soon as i can. thanks for the help.

[Tom1222]

Originally Posted by red_si_in_jersey

Hey guys....I have this same problem with 3rd gear. I thought that it might be just lazy shifting into 3rd but it definitely "sometimes" doesn't go into 3rd as smoothly was the other gears. I just installed the Comp Tech short shifter and hope it might solve this problem. I might mention it to the dealer when I take it in for the reflash which is suppose to be out for the rev hold.

I doubt that the short shifter will solve your problem, just the opposite if there is a synchro problem it will probably make it more noticable.
Keep us posted.

[red_si_in_jersey]

I'm not so sure it is a synchro problem. So far I haven't grinded 3rd since installing the short shifter. Im really thinking it might just be "lazy" shifting. I've always driven manual trans. cars so its not like I'm not use to shifting but for some reason I have grinded 3rd a hell of alot more than any other car I've owned. I have gone a couple of weeks between grinding before installing the shifter so I'll see how it is now. I just installed the shifter about a week ago. I'll keep you updated...

[CaliGuy]

Ok, I have never ground third. However, third is not as smooth as the rest of the gears (kinda notchy). Make sure your pushing in the clutch all the way (I find this to be a tad difficult in the si as the pedals are very close together and the firewall is sort of shaped around the clutch). Also, I had a buddy tell me once (in another car) to "wind out the clutch"...To do this you basiacally just redline through a few gears (or thats how I understand it)....It seems to always make shifting easier in any car...

[Tom1222]

Originally Posted by CaliGuy

Ok, I have never ground third. However, third is not as smooth as the rest of the gears (kinda notchy). Make sure your pushing in the clutch all the way (I find this to be a tad difficult in the si as the pedals are very close together and the firewall is sort of shaped around the clutch). Also, I had a buddy tell me once (in another car) to "wind out the clutch"...To do this you basiacally just redline through a few gears (or thats how I understand it)....It seems to always make shifting easier in any car...

I don't see how redlining it will wind out a clutch? Here are some clutch basics:
Clutch System Function
Disengaged: when the clutch pedal is engaged, the release system pushes the fork against the release bearing. The bearing pushes against the clutch diaphragm spring to release the pressure plate clamp load on the disc, allowing the crankshaft and flywheel to rotate at engine speed, while the disc and transmission input shaft coast. Engine power cannot flow through to the transmission.


Engaged: when the driver selects a gear and releases the clutch pedal, the release system retracts the release bearing, the disc slips briefly to provide smooth engagement and the clutch clamps the disc against the flywheel. The clutch, disc and flywheel "lock" together, turning the input shaft. Engine power flows to the transmission.

[imtim25]

all i do now is double-clutch time to time or hold the clutch a 1/4 sec longer and then put it in gear. no problems so far.

[Tom1222]

Originally Posted by imtim25

all i do now is double-clutch time to time or hold the clutch a 1/4 sec longer and then put it in gear. no problems so far.

Okay so you are saying you were just shifting it wrong to start with and now everything is good with the world?

[vey_z]

yo guy's try to clutch first before shifting. hehehehe

[imtim25]

Originally Posted by Tom1222

Okay so you are saying you were just shifting it wrong to start with and now everything is good with the world?

no im not saying that i was shifting it wrong. im saying that double-clutching and keeping the clutch in for 1/4 second longer help me with the 3rd gear. im still gonna take my car to the dealer monday morning and let one of them drive it.

[Tom1222]

Originally Posted by imtim25

no im not saying that i was shifting it wrong. im saying that double-clutching and keeping the clutch in for 1/4 second longer help me with the 3rd gear. im still gonna take my car to the dealer monday morning and let one of them drive it.

I am just messing with you. Sorry, I am sure you know how to shift.
It's too bad some of those Si's did have certain quality control issues.
I guess nothing is perfect. Good luck taking it to the dealer. Be firm and
have them fix it and not give you excuses.

[radiocontrolhead]

Third gear is a little notchy but there isn't a problem with your car. That's how the car is designed. What you can do is granny shift like that wise guy who never grinds his third gear. You are lazy shifting. The travel from 2nd to 3rd is longer than from 1st to 2nd so it throws you off. Just pay more attention to your shifting and you should be good

[Tom1222]

I think there is a problem with some of the cars. Some do have problems with 3rd gear. I never experienced it. Mine shifts as smooth as glass.
Never missed or grinded a gear in this car yet. And no I don't granny shift one bit. Just some seem to have a real problem where others don't

[imtim25]

sorry for the late post but i was busy for the past weeks. i went to my dealer and he decided to take it on a test run. he drives it for a couple of blocks and its going good, no grinds at all and then......we get rear ended on my driver's side AND THEN HE GRINDS IT...the guy ran but we got his plates and we ran them too. the plates were expired and were not for his car. once we got back to the dealer the car didnt have dents, just a lot of small scratches and that was a pretty hard hit to my car's rear. o yea the guy at the dealer checked my tranny again and said that nothing is wrong since he couldnt get a grind out of it without any interference and he said that the bumper is nothing big.
well i havent been getting any grinds at all lately so thats good and the bumper really is nothing. im suprised that it didnt leave a huge dent.

[6spdChick]

I hateee 3rd.... I was at the track friday running my car and I had to force it into 3rd kind of like if you're going 50 trying to throw it in 2nd you can't do it unless you slam it in(not that I try to put it in second when I'm going 50 I've done it on accident once and it caught intead of just slipping in), and numerous times i'll put it in third and it wil pop back. BLAHHHHHHHH

[radiocontrolhead]

Originally Posted by 6spdChick

I hateee 3rd.... I was at the track friday running my car and I had to force it into 3rd kind of like if you're going 50 trying to throw it in 2nd you can't do it unless you slam it in(not that I try to put it in second when I'm going 50 I've done it on accident once and it caught intead of just slipping in), and numerous times i'll put it in third and it wil pop back. BLAHHHHHHHH

i think u need a spanking.

[Tom1222]

Originally Posted by 6spdChick

I hateee 3rd.... I was at the track friday running my car and I had to force it into 3rd kind of like if you're going 50 trying to throw it in 2nd you can't do it unless you slam it in(not that I try to put it in second when I'm going 50 I've done it on accident once and it caught intead of just slipping in), and numerous times i'll put it in third and it wil pop back. BLAHHHHHHHH

You got overanxious. No force needed. Just a gently glide into gear.
When you are rough like that you are about to break something.
Like your synchros or worse.
As I said many times before, I think this is one of the smoothest shifting cars I have ever driven in a stick and I never had a misshift or hang or anything in any gear. Perhaps some of those tranny's came with bad synchros? Or maybe people are trying to slam these gears a little bit to roughly. Easy does it

[Bos66]

Ive had the same problem with 3rd gear at first I thought it was me until I read this thread. Its happened maybe 3 times in the last month 1200mi on the car now.

[CaliGuy]

When I took in my si to have my hfp kit worked on I asked them to check out third and they said it was just how the syncros are. Mine has never popped out and is not hard to get in. It's just notchy sometimes...