About Oil Changing.,....

[kenken3686]

is changing the oil with the honda engine oil better or something like the Redline is better?

if the redline is better then i am going to use that instead of the honda stuff

and what is the different between those sythetic oil and non-sythetic oil?

[gglxsdn]

Redline is ok, it is loaded with molybendum which is good.
I think amsoil is better particularly in the series 2000,
the only amsoil 5-20 available is the XL7500 which is not as good
as series 2000 and only rated fro 7500 miles.
Amsoil needs to bring out a 0-20 series 2000.

The advantage of synthetic is that the molecules don't break down
into smaller molecules. And other properties will test better,
less volatility, higher shear strength.

Conventional is fine for ordinary driving and short intervals like 4-5k miles
between changes. Amsoil pays for itself with higher mpg and longer life.
I have oil tests and know amsoil is better. I haven't done oil test on
rediline. But amsoil provided 1.5 more mpg than redline which says something.

Anecdotally, in my acura TSX the mobil synthetic blend was turning dark,
opaque black on the dipstick at 4-4.5k miles, mobil 1 was worst being
black at 3.5 k, amsoil series 2000 ran 7k before getting dark and still
semitransparent amber to 7-7.5 k miles. In our accords, amsoil 5-20
XL75000 is very clean transparent amber to 7-8k miles.
I could never measure an mpg benefit from mobil 1, but that was previous
generation which was said to not be a true synthetic. The new mobil 1
may be better, I haven't tried it.
Oil staying clean means to me it is working better maintaining film
strength on the piston rings and walls and valve guides. Those are the
only places blowby gets through into the crankcase oil.

I did a cost analysis of fuel savings, amsoil saves $300 per year changing
at 8k vs conventional changed at 4 k miles. With three cars in the family,
that is a lot of money.

However, with XL7500 amsoil I saw a 1 mpg drop vs series 2000.
I'll have to use the XL7500 in the civic because the 5-30 series 2000
amsoil runs high in the viscosity range.

You can read some test data on the amsoil site which they
claim is performed by an independent lab.

Originally Posted by kenken3686

is changing the oil with the honda engine oil better or something like the Redline is better?

if the redline is better then i am going to use that instead of the honda stuff

and what is the different between those sythetic oil and non-sythetic oil?

[Retread]

The dealer puts Valvoline 5W-30 in. If they use it, it 's good enough for me. Just had my 2nd oil change yesterday at 11,000 miles.

[rikstaker]

Originally Posted by gglxsdn

Redline is ok, it is loaded with molybendum which is good.
I think amsoil is better particularly in the series 2000,
the only amsoil 5-20 available is the XL7500 which is not as good
as series 2000 and only rated fro 7500 miles.
Amsoil needs to bring out a 0-20 series 2000.

The advantage of synthetic is that the molecules don't break down
into smaller molecules. And other properties will test better,
less volatility, higher shear strength.

Conventional is fine for ordinary driving and short intervals like 4-5k miles
between changes. Amsoil pays for itself with higher mpg and longer life.
I have oil tests and know amsoil is better. I haven't done oil test on
rediline. But amsoil provided 1.5 more mpg than redline which says something.

Anecdotally, in my acura TSX the mobil synthetic blend was turning dark,
opaque black on the dipstick at 4-4.5k miles, mobil 1 was worst being
black at 3.5 k, amsoil series 2000 ran 7k before getting dark and still
semitransparent amber to 7-7.5 k miles. In our accords, amsoil 5-20
XL75000 is very clean transparent amber to 7-8k miles.
I could never measure an mpg benefit from mobil 1, but that was previous
generation which was said to not be a true synthetic. The new mobil 1
may be better, I haven't tried it.
Oil staying clean means to me it is working better maintaining film
strength on the piston rings and walls and valve guides. Those are the
only places blowby gets through into the crankcase oil.

I did a cost analysis of fuel savings, amsoil saves $300 per year changing
at 8k vs conventional changed at 4 k miles. With three cars in the family,
that is a lot of money.

However, with XL7500 amsoil I saw a 1 mpg drop vs series 2000.
I'll have to use the XL7500 in the civic because the 5-30 series 2000
amsoil runs high in the viscosity range.

You can read some test data on the amsoil site which they
claim is performed by an independent lab.

Shouldnt a good oil should get dirty as it does it's work cleaning out the engine? The dispersants should stop all the gunk from depositing in the oil pan.

I would be worried if my oil doesnt get dirty.Wear particles do not affect oil colour as they are too minute,it is the dust/sand that enter into the internals throuh air that effects oil colour & if its a good detergent oil it will prevnet that crap from collecting in critical parts of the enigine.

Rik

[Tyredurgan]

Mobile 1

[gglxsdn]

When the amsoil is drained it is black in the bucket, I'm refering
to it's color and transparency of a thinner film on the dipstick.

I can't answer this question, is the oil cleaner because it's working
or is it not suspending dirt, I don't know. A friend who turned
me onto the amsoil 20 years ago, broke a timing belt and bent
valves on a Fiat at 150k miles.
The mechanic called him to find out what oil it was, said he
never saw a 150k motor so clean and wear free.

All I'm saying is that for the price of these oils, might as
well get something for it, as in mpg.
If there was any indicator that would be definitive about the function of
an oil it would be mpg, that's what it does, reduce the losses of friction.

Originally Posted by rikstaker

Shouldnt a good oil should get dirty as it does it's work cleaning out the engine? The dispersants should stop all the gunk from depositing in the oil pan.

I would be worried if my oil doesnt get dirty.Wear particles do not affect oil colour as they are too minute,it is the dust/sand that enter into the internals throuh air that effects oil colour & if its a good detergent oil it will prevnet that crap from collecting in critical parts of the enigine.

Rik

['06Siguy]

Originally Posted by Tyredurgan

Mobile 1

X2 Full synthetic

[kenken3686]

is synthetic always better than non-synthetic?

so the r18 is using 5w-20, can i use soemthign else? to make the engine smoother?

[BLU BY U]

Originally Posted by '06Siguy

X2 Full synthetic

x3

mobil1 with honda oil filter FTW

[CivicWithNav]

everyone is so sold on mobile 1

it's good but amsoil is 100x better.

[Tennisjon2002]

Originally Posted by CivicWithNav

everyone is so sold on mobile 1

it's good but amsoil is 100x better.

and alot more expensive and alot harder to get. I would recomend Penzoil Platinum if you are going to do synthetic. It is good and it is cheap.

[ctx66]

Originally Posted by CivicWithNav

everyone is so sold on mobile 1

it's good but amsoil is 100x better.

Based off of what? Amsoils BS marketing? They're very good at manipulating numbers and data to make it seem as if their product performs the best.

[kenken3686]

ok my oil change is tmr, should i just let the dealer use their oil, or should i buy them something to put in?? give me suggestion before its too late please~

so its REDLINE, MOBILE1, AMSOIL

should i keep it at 5w20 also for R18?

[kenken3686]

Lets do it for performance wise...

[kenken3686]

when i take my car to the dealer do they use Honda Synthetic oil or non syntheitc?

[Sam388]

Originally Posted by kenken3686

when i take my car to the dealer do they use Honda Synthetic oil or non syntheitc?

Probably regular. How much are they charging?

[mtbiker278]

Honda uses a synthetic blend for their 5w20 oil. If I remember correctly it was like 4 bucks a quart off the shelf.

[BLU BY U]

is there an additive for the Limited Slip Differential? There usually is on trucks and other vehicles with some type of lsd.

anyone know what im talkin about?

[ctx66]

Dealers usually use the cheapest oil available. I doubt any dealer uses a synthetic blend as their bulk oil. At my local dealership it's exxon superflo. It varies though, every dealer is different.

[kenken3686]

damn i thought they use synthetic oil the whole time -.-