R18 DBW lag - Lets get Honda to fix this!!! - Page 5

DigitalAnalog · 08-14-2006, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civic_dx-g

I am curious if they think this is actually a safety issue, i.e. car's sometimes erratic behavior when you press on the gas. Is there a Honda Canada #?

HONDA CANADA
1-888-946-6329

Call it in! Doooooo it!

The more people we get complaining, the faster it'll go on the priority list. Apparently their working on it, but it's not considered a major concern for them. Let's make it one!

08-14-2006, 12:11 PM

hell ya!
im sick of this already, and honda plays dead on this issue?

PBJames23 · 08-14-2006, 12:25 PM

hey stevieray, thanks for all the great info! I just talked to the service manager at my local dealer, and i have an appointment on thursday. He didn't know about the service bulletin until i gave him the number. He said it will be covered under warranty, and it could take a few hours.

btw, I have a m/t ex coupe. i'll post the results on thursday.

iVTEC · 08-14-2006, 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray

Pretty much what I expected. Since I have an A/T, rev hang has not really been an issue but my main concern was the throttle lag, particularly in 1st gear. From what I can tell so far, that's almost entirely gone and the car is much more responsive to throttle input. The Injen CAI probably helps there, too. Let me get it out and play with it this weekend and I'll try to post up some more feedback next week.

As far as I know, I'm the first R18 owner to get the reflash. Nice to be first at something, anyway----

Now that you've had the reflash for a while, what do you think? Improvements? Any change in fuel economy? Any drawbacks?

tegrady · 08-14-2006, 09:34 PM

I think I'll schedule a visit! I have an EX Sedan AT and I just chalked the 1st gear lag up to the fact that this is the first 4 banger I've had since my '96 Civic.

iVTEC · 08-14-2006, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tegrady

I think I'll schedule a visit! I have an EX Sedan AT and I just chalked the 1st gear lag up to the fact that this is the first 4 banger I've had since my '96 Civic.

Install that front sway bar yet?

gbae007 · 08-14-2006, 09:58 PM

StevieRay thanks for the details on how you got the ball rolling. I will post an update too once I get this in order this week.

iVTEC · 08-14-2006, 11:37 PM

The TSB states that the reflash fix is for the Si. Here's a copy of it at TOV:

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=597807

Are you sure that the reflash works for the EX/LX too?

If it does, then what if the service advisor gives you grief about it? What should you say? After all, it doesn't say in the TSB that the reflash is for the EX/LX as well. It only says it's for the Si. He would have a point there.

stevieray · 08-15-2006, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iVTEC

The TSB states that the reflash fix is for the Si. Here's a copy of it at TOV:

http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=597807

Are you sure that the reflash works for the EX/LX too?

If it does, then what if the service advisor gives you grief about it? What should you say? After all, it doesn't say in the TSB that the reflash is for the EX/LX as well. It only says it's for the Si. He would have a point there.

Darvin, basically my SM didn't give a ****.

He knows that I am an informed customer and not am not going to come in there asking for something that doesn't apply to me. He's also smart enough to know that if they issued an ECU program update for the Si that focuses on DBW programming that it probably effects the LX/EX models as well. Sure enough, when the tech started applying the HDS .008 software, there WAS an update for my model and it has made a difference. I've only gone thru a 1/2 tank but MPG seems to be slightly improved and throttle response is GREATLY improved. It ain't perfect but it's a damn sight better than what it was.

Oh yeah, I did the Si sway bar upgrade on Saturday too. Talk about getting your money's worth---

iVTEC · 08-15-2006, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

Oh yeah, I did the Si sway bar upgrade on Saturday too. Talk about getting your money's worth---

Cool!

PoLiShPrInCe · 08-15-2006, 12:39 AM

damn we better get this thing in canada before my warranty runs out...

08-15-2006, 03:32 AM

I called my dealership today re: V2.005.008 for the R18
and he still knew nothing of the sort. But he was real
cool about it and is checking into it to see if we need
to get it from the U.S, etc....

I also let him know of the bad V2.005.005 which tripped
error codes just so he knew not to get this one up on
his tablet. lmao!

he should get back to me sometime within the next day or
two. ill update if i find anything out on this issue?

tegrady · 08-15-2006, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iVTEC

Install that front sway bar yet?

No.... I could start throwing out excuses, but I won't.

stevieray · 08-15-2006, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iVTEC

Cool!

lol.

That's me all right---

jasongg06 · 08-16-2006, 12:35 PM

Ok just a lili update. I brought my car in to Goudy Honda in Alhambra and they're absolutely no help. Stevie, i did exactly what you told me, and they disreguarded everything. They said, if there's a problem, we'll fix it, even after i repeatedly stated the problem and the solution. I just dropped the car off so i don't know what the results will be, but either way don't go to that dealer.

chriskurn · 08-16-2006, 12:49 PM

I feel bad for so many of you. I took the TSB into my dealer in IL, he said with a smile, "...we will have that done for you in 30mins". 29 mins later it was done.

Great experience.

McGrath Honda in St. Charles, IL

gbae007 · 08-16-2006, 12:54 PM

Would someone tell me what HDS is?

jasongg06 · 08-16-2006, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gbae007

Would someone tell me what HDS is?

HDS = Honda Diagnostic System

8thgenuser · 08-16-2006, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevieray

Darvin, basically my SM didn't give a ****.

He knows that I am an informed customer and not am not going to come in there asking for something that doesn't apply to me. He's also smart enough to know that if they issued an ECU program update for the Si that focuses on DBW programming that it probably effects the LX/EX models as well. Sure enough, when the tech started applying the HDS .008 software, there WAS an update for my model and it has made a difference. I've only gone thru a 1/2 tank but MPG seems to be slightly improved and throttle response is GREATLY improved. It ain't perfect but it's a damn sight better than what it was.

Oh yeah, I did the Si sway bar upgrade on Saturday too. Talk about getting your money's worth---

Would anyone else like to share their thoughts on how their car is now reacting after the update?

gbae007 · 08-16-2006, 01:17 PM

Of the people who have had this reflash performed, did you specifically ask for a reflash or did you mention the TSB? What was the approach? My dealer gave me the run around.

I mentioned that there is a new TSB on this issue (DBW lag and rev-hang) and they said, "best if you bring it in then we'll look at it."

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08-14-2006, 12:11 PM	#82 (permalink)
Torredo Guest Posts: n/a iTrader: / %	hell ya! im sick of this already, and honda plays dead on this issue?

08-14-2006, 12:25 PM	#83 (permalink)
PBJames23 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Madison, WI Age: 23 Posts: 377 iTrader: 0 / 0%	hey stevieray, thanks for all the great info! I just talked to the service manager at my local dealer, and i have an appointment on thursday. He didn't know about the service bulletin until i gave him the number. He said it will be covered under warranty, and it could take a few hours. btw, I have a m/t ex coupe. i'll post the results on thursday.

08-14-2006, 09:34 PM	#85 (permalink)
tegrady Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: St.Augustine, Florida Age: 38 Posts: 325 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I think I'll schedule a visit! I have an EX Sedan AT and I just chalked the 1st gear lag up to the fact that this is the first 4 banger I've had since my '96 Civic.

08-14-2006, 09:58 PM	#87 (permalink)
gbae007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 29 Posts: 878 iTrader: 0 / 0%	StevieRay thanks for the details on how you got the ball rolling. I will post an update too once I get this in order this week.

08-14-2006, 11:37 PM	#88 (permalink)
iVTEC Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: NBA Kings Courtside Posts: 411 iTrader: 0 / 0%	The TSB states that the reflash fix is for the Si. Here's a copy of it at TOV: http://www.vtec.net/forums/one-messa...sage_id=597807 Are you sure that the reflash works for the EX/LX too? If it does, then what if the service advisor gives you grief about it? What should you say? After all, it doesn't say in the TSB that the reflash is for the EX/LX as well. It only says it's for the Si. He would have a point there.

08-15-2006, 12:39 AM	#91 (permalink)
PoLiShPrInCe Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: GTA, Canada Age: 28 Posts: 3,141 iTrader: 0 / 0%	damn we better get this thing in canada before my warranty runs out...

08-15-2006, 03:32 AM	#92 (permalink)
Torredo Guest Posts: n/a iTrader: / %	I called my dealership today re: V2.005.008 for the R18 and he still knew nothing of the sort. But he was real cool about it and is checking into it to see if we need to get it from the U.S, etc.... I also let him know of the bad V2.005.005 which tripped error codes just so he knew not to get this one up on his tablet. lmao! he should get back to me sometime within the next day or two. ill update if i find anything out on this issue?

08-16-2006, 12:35 PM	#95 (permalink)
jasongg06 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 626 So Cal Posts: 1,264 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Ok just a lili update. I brought my car in to Goudy Honda in Alhambra and they're absolutely no help. Stevie, i did exactly what you told me, and they disreguarded everything. They said, if there's a problem, we'll fix it, even after i repeatedly stated the problem and the solution. I just dropped the car off so i don't know what the results will be, but either way don't go to that dealer.

08-16-2006, 12:49 PM	#96 (permalink)
chriskurn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: West Chicago, IL Age: 41 Posts: 210 iTrader: 1 / 100%	I feel bad for so many of you. I took the TSB into my dealer in IL, he said with a smile, "...we will have that done for you in 30mins". 29 mins later it was done. Great experience. McGrath Honda in St. Charles, IL

08-16-2006, 12:54 PM	#97 (permalink)
gbae007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 29 Posts: 878 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Would someone tell me what HDS is?

08-16-2006, 01:17 PM	#100 (permalink)
gbae007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Portland, Oregon Age: 29 Posts: 878 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Of the people who have had this reflash performed, did you specifically ask for a reflash or did you mention the TSB? What was the approach? My dealer gave me the run around. I mentioned that there is a new TSB on this issue (DBW lag and rev-hang) and they said, "best if you bring it in then we'll look at it."