Installed my 10,000K HID Conversion Kit!! Pics will come soon!

FatHoMedDigNitY · 05-18-2006, 11:12 AM

they look AWESOME at night and during day!! especially with my halogen fog lights....im gonna try to get some daytime and nighttime pics today..you guys are gonna love them. i bought the kit from visionbulbs.com for $269! and they come with a three year warranty, find another company that offers a long warranty like that. k see ya

SwitchedOn · 05-18-2006, 12:04 PM

lets see those pics.

FatHoMedDigNitY · 05-18-2006, 01:25 PM

Here are a couple Day time shots i just took..remember they are 10,000K HIDS.

**webby** · 05-18-2006, 01:26 PM

did something hit your car on the drivers side - above the light? Or is that a reflection?

negativezeroz · 05-18-2006, 01:37 PM

Get some spread shots tonight please and thank you.

FatHoMedDigNitY · 05-18-2006, 06:30 PM

nothing has hit my car above the headlight....and i will get some night shots for sure...i dunno how well the shots will turn out..but the output is AMAZING with these HIDS. I drive around with my headlights on during the day now because i love how they look....just freeking sweet.

Tate · 05-18-2006, 08:25 PM

try driving the 10,000k at night and you will realize you just downgraded the light output from your stock halogen bulbs. Read up before you upgrade

http://www.autolamps-online.com/hido...colourtemp.htm

http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html

I would not recommend anything higher than 6000k. 4300k gives you the most light output

tennisfan16 · 05-18-2006, 11:51 PM

not tryin to knock you but why 10000k, low light output, and isnt it a purple color. Cops wont like that.

XeNonCiViC · 05-21-2006, 09:19 PM

TATE AND TENNISFAN16...

not all 10K and 12K Xenon's have lower light output. I have a quality made 12K kit on my car, which is purplish, and it has at least double the light of halogen. tate, while those links have some reviews on xenon kits, not all xenon kits perform poorly like that. a quality McCulloch, Philips, or XenonDepot xenon HID kits will improve your night vision. cheap generic kits will hurt your night vision.

joonoo · 05-22-2006, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by XeNonCiViC

TATE AND TENNISFAN16...

not all 10K and 12K Xenon's have lower light output. I have a quality made 12K kit on my car, which is purplish, and it has at least double the light of halogen. tate, while those links have some reviews on xenon kits, not all xenon kits perform poorly like that. a quality McCulloch, Philips, or XenonDepot xenon HID kits will improve your night vision. cheap generic kits will hurt your night vision.

If it goes to 10k and 12k, they just aren't quality because of their LOW lumine output. In 10K range, I saw some testing that light output goes down almost to halogen level. Also you can see best when the color of light is white-yellow. Blue-purple would definately make your ability to see objects on the road suffer. Also as light goes bluish, they put out horrible glare due to the characteric of wavelength.

BTW Philips doesn't make anything above 6000K and xenondepot doesn't sell anything above 8000K. As far as being McCulloch being quality product, I heard of stories in crsx board about them failing after 2 years or so... in HID world I don't think that's called quality.

All_bets_off · 05-22-2006, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by webby

did something hit your car on the drivers side - above the light? Or is that a reflection?

it's the reflection of a telephone pole...i thought it was a scratch too

lexusguy · 05-22-2006, 03:13 PM

personally i would never go past 6k ,10k is too much not only that you're going to blind incomming traffic but you're just asking for a ticket.

CivicWithNav · 05-22-2006, 03:53 PM

good luck trying to see in rainy nights...

10k will get absorbed into the ground like its not even on

XeNonCiViC · 05-23-2006, 12:56 AM

before you guys judge Xenon HID kits you have no personal experience with, maybe you should see a kit for yourself before taking what you read on the internet for fact.

fact. my 12K Xenon HID kit is at least 2x brighter than stock

fact. my 12K Xenon lights perform MUCH better in rain than stock halogen

fact. 10K and 12K True Xenon HID lights are still brighter than stock halogens and are much better in the rain as well.

fact. Blue and Purple replacement bulbs hurt your vision in the rain.

fiction. "10K will get absorbed into the ground"

fiction. "good luck trying to see in rainy nights..."

Tate · 05-23-2006, 02:09 AM

We don't need personal experiece to judge HID kits. There are plenty of pages in the internet from people who have experience with their 10K/12K kits. That's why there are reviews, so you know about it without going thru the whole personal experience thing. If you search and READ them, you will see that as color temp goes up, amount of useable light decreases

Some more pages for you to read, from people who have "personal experiences":

http://www.mx6.com/forums/showthread...&highlight=HID

http://faqlight.carpassion.info/hl-hid-bulbs.htm

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=697613

http://www.xenondepot.com/htec.php

One section from xenondepot.com best describes your application

Quote:

Many people believe the misconception that colour temperature is a rating of the brightness of the bulb or HID kit. This belief is completely false. The reality of the matter is that the higher the colour temperature, the less useable light output you will obtain. A perfect example would be a black light. This light has a colour temperature of approx 12,000k and has almost no useable light or lumens output.

See the light chart below and everyone can see why 10/12K is not brighter than stock:

Quote:

Yellow:
1500 k Candlelight
2700-2900 k Yellow painted fog halogen bulbs
-------------------------------
Yellowish white:
3200 k Sunrise/sunset
3200 k Premium H7 non painted halogen bulb <---Stock
3400 k 1 hour from dusk/dawn
-------------------------------
White:
4100 k Philips/Osram OEM HID D2S
5500 k Bright sunny daylight around noon
----------------
Blueish white
5500-5600 k Electronic photo flash
6000 k Philips Ultinon HID D2S
6500-7500 k Overcast sky
-----------------
Blue:
9000-12000 k Blue sky <---Your 10/12K kits
-----------------
Purple:
28000 Northern sky
12000-30000 k Ultra Violet light (black light)

**Tim** · 05-23-2006, 10:06 AM

I would love to park my car with 4300K bulbs next to a 10,000 or 12,000K and compare the output.

CivicWithNav · 05-23-2006, 10:24 AM

trust me...I've had experience with 8000k before...it looked HOT but guess what, couldn't see worth jack in the rain...I had to turn on my halogen fogs to compensate for the light loss(combined made it brighter)

Now I have 6000k kit which is much brighter.. I would've gone with 4300k but the guy I buy my kits from doesn't carry em... and I'm actually quite satisfied with 6000k kit...and i wanted a HINT of blue

XeNonCiViC · 05-24-2006, 12:23 AM

Tate, you sure love quoting other people, without having much experience yourself. I am more experienced and knowledgeable than you when it comes to automotive lighting, and it's annoying when internet surfers LIKE YOU think they are suddenly experts on something just because you can surf the web.

CivicWithNav, I've read a lot of your posts regarding HID, and you are full of crap when you say you've had a 8000K kit before. You are new to HID like most of the people on this site, and I can prove it by pieceing together a history of all the posts you've made in the lighting areas. Don't make up personal experiences about an 8K kit you've never had so you can be an internet expert also. An 8K HID kit will still be a huge improvement IN THE RAIN compared to stock halogen bulbs. 8K Halogen bulbs would hurt your vision in the rain compared to stock halogen bulbs.

I will probably stop posting on this site because I'm sick of this HUGE VAT OF MISINFORMATION.

FACT: NOT EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET IS TRUE.

I was a manager for a "tuner" shop for 3 years between 1997-2000 in Denver, CO. The shop I worked for was one of the pioneers of bringing "Hyper White" headlight bulbs into the mainstream. We were importing these headlights straight from Japan even before the big shops in Cali could get their hands on these bulbs. I was doing HID conversions on cars back in 1998, and you probably didn't even know what HID was back then. I have a lot of experience and knowledge when it comes to automotive lighting.

Just because one HID cheapo kit has less lumen output than halogen bulbs, doesn't mean they all do. I agree that some cheapo HID kits could possibly decrease lumen output (& only kits that had tinted Xenon bulbs, not true blood stained capsules), but not all do. Again, you don't understand the difference between fact & fiction.

I am aware that the higher the temperature color, the LOWER the Lumen output. Based off testing I have seen on QUALITY HID bulbs, this is my analysis of lumen output.

Stock Bulbs 1000 lm
4K-6K - about 3000 lm (3x brighter than stock)
6K-8K - about 2500 lm (2.5x brighter than stock)
8K-12K - about 2100 lm (2x brighter than stock)

So based off my chart above, all colors 12K and under still have at least double the lumen output of stock halogen. Keep in mind, the cheapo HID bulbs you are talking about, usually have "tinted" bulbs that give off the blue or purple color. These cheap HID bulbs give the same effect in rain as a tinted halogen bulb, which is horrible visibility. A quality 12K bulb, like in my McCulloch Kit (not all McCulloch kits come with the same bulbs, it depends on the retailer), is not a "tinted" bulb. My 12K kit provides GREAT lighting in the rain. My bulbs have the blood stainted capsule inside (just like the Philips bulbs), indicating that they are a good quality bulb.

I agree that the higher the color temp., you will have less lumen output and you will produce more glare to oncoming drivers. That's all I agree with you on. I'm not an internet self proclaimed expert like you are, I have real credentials to back what I say.

**Tim** · 05-24-2006, 02:08 AM

Blood stained? Come again?

FatHoMedDigNitY · 05-24-2006, 08:13 AM

Well hey guys i can guarantee you my 10,000K HID kit is A LOT BRIGHTER then my stock halogens. And I just drove in the rain a few days ago, and everything was just fine, quite frankly better then my stock halogens. It all depends on the type of kit you get. Mine is a good quality kit, therefore, I get good quality light output. And these 10,000K will never get you a ticket, nor do they glare up and blind oncoming traffic. There just as blue as the Xenons you see on TL's, BMW's, Lexus, etc.

05-18-2006, 11:12 AM	#1 (permalink)
FatHoMedDigNitY Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Installed my 10,000K HID Conversion Kit!! Pics will come soon! they look AWESOME at night and during day!! especially with my halogen fog lights....im gonna try to get some daytime and nighttime pics today..you guys are gonna love them. i bought the kit from visionbulbs.com for $269! and they come with a three year warranty, find another company that offers a long warranty like that. k see ya

05-24-2006, 12:23 AM	#18 (permalink)
XeNonCiViC Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ohio Posts: 78 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Tate, you sure love quoting other people, without having much experience yourself. I am more experienced and knowledgeable than you when it comes to automotive lighting, and it's annoying when internet surfers LIKE YOU think they are suddenly experts on something just because you can surf the web. CivicWithNav, I've read a lot of your posts regarding HID, and you are full of crap when you say you've had a 8000K kit before. You are new to HID like most of the people on this site, and I can prove it by pieceing together a history of all the posts you've made in the lighting areas. Don't make up personal experiences about an 8K kit you've never had so you can be an internet expert also. An 8K HID kit will still be a huge improvement IN THE RAIN compared to stock halogen bulbs. 8K Halogen bulbs would hurt your vision in the rain compared to stock halogen bulbs. I will probably stop posting on this site because I'm sick of this HUGE VAT OF MISINFORMATION. FACT: NOT EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE INTERNET IS TRUE. I was a manager for a "tuner" shop for 3 years between 1997-2000 in Denver, CO. The shop I worked for was one of the pioneers of bringing "Hyper White" headlight bulbs into the mainstream. We were importing these headlights straight from Japan even before the big shops in Cali could get their hands on these bulbs. I was doing HID conversions on cars back in 1998, and you probably didn't even know what HID was back then. I have a lot of experience and knowledge when it comes to automotive lighting. Just because one HID cheapo kit has less lumen output than halogen bulbs, doesn't mean they all do. I agree that some cheapo HID kits could possibly decrease lumen output (& only kits that had tinted Xenon bulbs, not true blood stained capsules), but not all do. Again, you don't understand the difference between fact & fiction. I am aware that the higher the temperature color, the LOWER the Lumen output. Based off testing I have seen on QUALITY HID bulbs, this is my analysis of lumen output. Stock Bulbs 1000 lm 4K-6K - about 3000 lm (3x brighter than stock) 6K-8K - about 2500 lm (2.5x brighter than stock) 8K-12K - about 2100 lm (2x brighter than stock) So based off my chart above, all colors 12K and under still have at least double the lumen output of stock halogen. Keep in mind, the cheapo HID bulbs you are talking about, usually have "tinted" bulbs that give off the blue or purple color. These cheap HID bulbs give the same effect in rain as a tinted halogen bulb, which is horrible visibility. A quality 12K bulb, like in my McCulloch Kit (not all McCulloch kits come with the same bulbs, it depends on the retailer), is not a "tinted" bulb. My 12K kit provides GREAT lighting in the rain. My bulbs have the blood stainted capsule inside (just like the Philips bulbs), indicating that they are a good quality bulb. I agree that the higher the color temp., you will have less lumen output and you will produce more glare to oncoming drivers. That's all I agree with you on. I'm not an internet self proclaimed expert like you are, I have real credentials to back what I say. Last edited by XeNonCiViC; 05-24-2006 at 12:30 AM.

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05-18-2006, 12:04 PM	#2 (permalink)
SwitchedOn Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: East Bay, CA Age: 29 Posts: 128 iTrader: 0 / 0%	lets see those pics.

05-18-2006, 01:26 PM	#4 (permalink)
webby Acorns! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Storage Room B Posts: 12,585 iTrader: 11 / 100%	did something hit your car on the drivers side - above the light? Or is that a reflection?

05-18-2006, 01:37 PM	#5 (permalink)
negativezeroz Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: OK Age: 20 Posts: 1,667 iTrader: 2 / 100%	Get some spread shots tonight please and thank you.

05-18-2006, 06:30 PM	#6 (permalink)
FatHoMedDigNitY Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 iTrader: 0 / 0%	nothing has hit my car above the headlight....and i will get some night shots for sure...i dunno how well the shots will turn out..but the output is AMAZING with these HIDS. I drive around with my headlights on during the day now because i love how they look....just freeking sweet.

05-18-2006, 08:25 PM	#7 (permalink)
Tate Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 300 iTrader: 0 / 0%	try driving the 10,000k at night and you will realize you just downgraded the light output from your stock halogen bulbs. Read up before you upgrade http://www.autolamps-online.com/hido...colourtemp.htm http://www.intellexual.net/hid.html I would not recommend anything higher than 6000k. 4300k gives you the most light output

05-18-2006, 11:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
tennisfan16 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: I have a cat. Age: 24 Posts: 3,723 iTrader: 3 / 100%	not tryin to knock you but why 10000k, low light output, and isnt it a purple color. Cops wont like that.

05-21-2006, 09:19 PM	#9 (permalink)
XeNonCiViC Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ohio Posts: 78 iTrader: 0 / 0%	TATE AND TENNISFAN16... not all 10K and 12K Xenon's have lower light output. I have a quality made 12K kit on my car, which is purplish, and it has at least double the light of halogen. tate, while those links have some reviews on xenon kits, not all xenon kits perform poorly like that. a quality McCulloch, Philips, or XenonDepot xenon HID kits will improve your night vision. cheap generic kits will hurt your night vision.

05-22-2006, 03:13 PM	#12 (permalink)
lexusguy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Age: 27 Posts: 153 iTrader: 1 / 100%	personally i would never go past 6k ,10k is too much not only that you're going to blind incomming traffic but you're just asking for a ticket.

05-22-2006, 03:53 PM	#13 (permalink)
CivicWithNav Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Woodstock MD Posts: 2,575 iTrader: 13 / 100%	good luck trying to see in rainy nights... 10k will get absorbed into the ground like its not even on

05-23-2006, 12:56 AM	#14 (permalink)
XeNonCiViC Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ohio Posts: 78 iTrader: 0 / 0%	before you guys judge Xenon HID kits you have no personal experience with, maybe you should see a kit for yourself before taking what you read on the internet for fact. fact. my 12K Xenon HID kit is at least 2x brighter than stock fact. my 12K Xenon lights perform MUCH better in rain than stock halogen fact. 10K and 12K True Xenon HID lights are still brighter than stock halogens and are much better in the rain as well. fact. Blue and Purple replacement bulbs hurt your vision in the rain. fiction. "10K will get absorbed into the ground" fiction. "good luck trying to see in rainy nights..."

05-23-2006, 10:06 AM	#16 (permalink)
Tim non-Cilantrist Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 29 Posts: 4,812 iTrader: 10 / 100%	I would love to park my car with 4300K bulbs next to a 10,000 or 12,000K and compare the output.

05-23-2006, 10:24 AM	#17 (permalink)
CivicWithNav Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Woodstock MD Posts: 2,575 iTrader: 13 / 100%	trust me...I've had experience with 8000k before...it looked HOT but guess what, couldn't see worth jack in the rain...I had to turn on my halogen fogs to compensate for the light loss(combined made it brighter) Now I have 6000k kit which is much brighter.. I would've gone with 4300k but the guy I buy my kits from doesn't carry em... and I'm actually quite satisfied with 6000k kit...and i wanted a HINT of blue

05-24-2006, 02:08 AM	#19 (permalink)
Tim non-Cilantrist Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 29 Posts: 4,812 iTrader: 10 / 100%	Blood stained? Come again?

05-24-2006, 08:13 AM	#20 (permalink)
FatHoMedDigNitY Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Well hey guys i can guarantee you my 10,000K HID kit is A LOT BRIGHTER then my stock halogens. And I just drove in the rain a few days ago, and everything was just fine, quite frankly better then my stock halogens. It all depends on the type of kit you get. Mine is a good quality kit, therefore, I get good quality light output. And these 10,000K will never get you a ticket, nor do they glare up and blind oncoming traffic. There just as blue as the Xenons you see on TL's, BMW's, Lexus, etc.