Installed my 10,000K HID Conversion Kit!! Pics will come soon! - Page 3

ever12 · 05-25-2006, 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

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Originally Posted by aki

Ugh why do these newbie threads keep cropping up?

Yes your bulbs look brighter ...you know why?

1) Hotspots
2) High wavelength light

But as for TOTAL Lumen output, you're likely putting less than a Halogen bulb. The problem with dumping HID bulbs into Halogen housing is that A LOT of the light gets concentrated towards the middle, as opposed to an even distribution like true HIDs. And XenonCivic keeps spouting incorrect numbers. Halogen bulbs generate anywhere between 1000 to as high as 1600 Lumens.

Bash it into your brains. You've just sacrificed visibility for kewlness. Because even if that 10k HID did have higher lumens, all the light is concentrated in the center, thus providing WORSE visibility outside of the hotspot. So while the middle is glaringly bright, the rest of the road is poorly lit. This is why you need HID housings for HID lights, as it more evenly distributes the light across the range of the reflector/projector. It's like changing a sprinkler head from a spray to a single line and claiming you have more water.

First of all am as far from a newbie when it comes to cars as anyone currently working in the field... I been dealing with these for almost a decade... So please dont give me that newb bullshit....

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PIC, THE OUTPUT IS HIGHER THAN THE HALOGENS ON THE BLACK SI.... what more do I have to say? Look at the reflection on the floor, that reflection is what lets you see at night....

Edit.. This is the output from inside the car, on a lighted street and the left light screwed into the socket incorrectly... Halogens can produce that ??

Yeah, I'm sure he's a newb :rolleyes:

He actually knows what he's talking about. BTW why was "the left light screwed into the the socket incorrectly"? :gaygiggle You've been working with cars for almost a decade supposedly.

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ever12

How old are you?

You act like an 8 year old in every thread you post in.

It may look like it's a big improvement because of the color of the light, but fact is it provides less usuable light. You may like the color and that's fine, but you spread misinformation and then have the balls to get an attitude with the people trying to correct you nicely. Can't we just ban this kid already?

Look, im seriously not gunna get into it with you... But for real, dont give me that shit.. You are spreading misinformation by saying that the light output of anything over 6500 is less than halogens.... which is clearly false..

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ever12

Yeah, I'm sure he's a newb :rolleyes:

He actually knows what he's talking about. BTW why was "the left light screwed into the the socket incorrectly"? :gaygiggle You've been working with cars for almost a decade supposedly.

HAHAHA funny right... And yes, im sorry for inserting it in the socket incorrectly.. Does that disqualify me to work on cars?

ever12 · 05-25-2006, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

HAHAHA funny right... And yes, im sorry for inserting it in the socket incorrectly.. Does that disqualify me to work on cars?

No, but you come on here calling knowledgable people newbs and claim you have been working on cars longer than them, yet you say you "screwed" your bulb in incorrectly in the same posts? I thought that to be funny.

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by ever12

No, but you come on here calling knowledgable people newbs and claim you have been working on cars longer than them, yet you say you "screwed" your bulb in incorrectly in the same posts? I thought that to be funny.

I didnt call noone a newb, but they called me one.. I take that as a great insult because I worked hard for my experience and knowledge. How are you going to judge my level of expertise just because I ****** up in screwing that shit in... So because you make a mistake you are a newb?

And btw, I never claimed I know more than anyone. I just claimed that I have experience in the field, as well as others on this board...

XeNonCiViC · 05-26-2006, 12:19 AM

TATE & AKI

You FOOLS are arguing with nothing to back up what you are saying. You keep dodging the real facts in this discussion. You idiots are reading other people's research on the internet, and taking it as the HID Bible. I think me and 2RotorMotor's experience COMPLETELY outweigh your ability quote random web research. (i'm surprised you guys can read considering how stupid you guys are). I'm tired of being nice. YOU GUYS ARE JUST PLAIN DUMB & DUMBER.

Aki, I've already had this discussion with you and proved you wrong in a previous thread. STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION ON THIS SITE BASED OFF OF YOUR WEB SURFING. You keep trying to twist numbers. Yes, halogens are 1000-1600 lm. We are talking about low beams only though IDIOT. 99% of low beam halogens don't go over 1100lm. Only high beams reach 1600lm. And as I said on a previous post to you Aki, we are talking about the 8th Gen Civic low beam (1000lm) because.... well... this is a 8th gen civic forum. And if you read my posts, there are 2 kinds of HID bulbs out there... not all bulbs are equal. There are cheap HID bulbs, which have blue or purple color due to them being tinted, similiar to a blue halogen bulb. High quality HID bulbs are not tinted, and have the blood stained capsule inside the bulb. The lumen output I posted refer to these higher quality bulbs, and I'm sure your research is referring to the tinted HID bulbs. Also, not all stock HID equiped cars have projector beams, that's why they make 2 different kind of bulbs; D2S and D2R. One is meant for use in projector beams, and one is made for use in regular housings. And you analogy about the garden hose, was purely MORONIC. Don't try to act smart by making analogies about a subject you clearly know nothing about. Here's an analogy for you:

TAKING WHAT AKI SAYS AS FACT IS LIKE BELIEVING SUPERMAN REALLY EXISTS.

I don't want to argue with DUMB & DUMBER anymore. It's obvious from the pics all these other people posted that you guys are wrong. I'm glad this world is full of idiots like Tate and Aki because if we were all smart, I wouldn't be as successful as I am.

**Tim** · 05-26-2006, 12:59 AM

Wow. Just, wow.

striker_1818 · 09-09-2006, 01:39 AM

lol just to piss those guys off i just bought a 8K HID kit...will install it within this weekend or so...take pics...then compare them with 4.5K from my friend...
will post pics soon...=)

caveman74 · 09-10-2006, 09:09 AM

here is a link for those who think a kit in a stock halogen is better than a projector.

The right headlight has a 8000k HID kit and the left has a S2000 4300k
you be the judge!!

http://www.littodevilperformance.com...comparison.wmv

2RotorMotor · 09-12-2006, 06:56 AM

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Originally Posted by caveman74

here is a link for those who think a kit in a stock halogen is better than a projector.

The right headlight has a 8000k HID kit and the left has a S2000 4300k
you be the judge!!

http://www.littodevilperformance.com...comparison.wmv

who is saying that its better than a projector? Im saying a 4300k and a 8500k Put in a halogen offer no difference in visual performance...
obviously a projector is better..

si_civic · 09-14-2006, 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by FatHoMedDigNitY

Sorry to let you down man, but science isn't always correct. Personal experiences prevail everytime compared to a "Scientific" study. Look at the pictures man; it is more than freeking obvious that a 8,000K+ GOOD quality HID kit is a whole lot brighter then stock halogens. Stop going by the book, the book is wrong--quite often.

Dude, just because you're getting a hella lot more REFLECTION doesn't mean you're getting more light output to the road.

2RotorMotor · 09-14-2006, 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by si_civic

Dude, just because you're getting a hella lot more REFLECTION doesn't mean you're getting more light output to the road.

If the output were less than halogens, it wouldnt reflect like it does on the floor... Plain and simple ALL hid's except >8500 emmit more light than halogens, plain and simple... I've been in cars with 10-12k and they look like the lights are off.. But my lights reflect a hell of alot better than halogens.. Infact, if the lights werent a bitch to change, I would compare them....

qh187 · 09-19-2006, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

This is my 8500 vs. 954k20 4300-4500 and hologens next to 954.... So who ever says that 8500+ has less lumens than halogens can kiss my ass....

that picture is invalid. your car is pointing towards and is closer to the camera whereas everyone else is farther and pointing away. Of course it's going to seem better. Take a picture from the top down and you'll see how much less it lights up than the stock 4300k.

jasongg06 · 09-19-2006, 03:17 PM

When i pull next to a car that has blue colored HID's, my stock halogens are definitely brighter than theirs. The only reason people think those hid's are brighter, is because they're usually not aimed correctly, or in stock housings so their blinding the shit out of other people anyways.

***Gone*** · 09-20-2006, 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by qh187

that picture is invalid. your car is pointing towards and is closer to the camera whereas everyone else is farther and pointing away. Of course it's going to seem better. Take a picture from the top down and you'll see how much less it lights up than the stock 4300k.

THANK YOU.

Of course its brighter, you are actually pointed at the camera! Besides, you have an INSANE amount of glare from those hadlights! Its looks brighter to you because the light being emitted from the headlights isn't FOCUSED like it is supposed to be (as in within a HID-designed headlight housing). When designing the optics (lens and/or reflector) for a lamp, the characteristics of the light source are THE driving factor around which everything else must be engineered. If you go and change the light source, you've done the equivalent of putting on somebody else's eyeglasses: You can probably make them fit on your face OK, but you won't see properly.

The headlight reflectors and lenses of OEM HID headlights are engineered specifically for use with HID arc capsules. The design not only considers the source focal points, but the amount of lumens to be distributed. These factors are often overlooked when retrofitting is considered. OEM HID optics distribute the increased lumen output of this bulb farther ahead on the road, wider to both sides, without giving more directly in front of the subjected vehicle. This provides motorists with much WIDER AND DEEPER night time vision.

By contrast, halogen headlight optics do not spread the light to the degree of OEM HID. This is simply because a 55 watt halogen bulb (or even a 100 watter) cannot match the lumen output of HID. A lower number of lumens means less light to spread out. And a bigger portion of the total light output have to be placed where its mostly needed: straight ahead. Now, consider what what happens when someone inserts a 2800-3200 lumen HID arc capsule into a headlight designed to distribute only 1/3 of this amount of light.

Suddenly, there's too much light in areas that does not need more light:
- Too much light above cutoff line which would be above horizon on a flat road. This will glare oncoming traffic.
- Too much light below cutoff line which would glare dangerously towoards oncoming traffic on a hill.
- Too much foreground lighting. The driver will get the intense foreground lighting back in his own eyes, making eyes less sensitive for down the road illumination beyond 70 meters down the road.

This is the most dangerous part of the attempt to "retrofit" Xenon headlamps. Sometimes you get a deceptive and illusory "improvement" in the performance of the headlamp. The performance of the headlamp is perceived to be "better" because of the much higher level of foreground lighting (on the road immediately in front of the car). However, the beam patterns produced by this kind of "conversion" virtually always give less distance light, and often an alarming lack of light where there's meant to be a relative maximum in light intensity. The result is the illusion that you can see better than you actually can, and that's not safe.

And yes, I said it, HID's DO produce more lumens, but thats a given really. I mean, the ballasts powering these bulbs convert the 12V input to THOUSANDS of volts to output to the HID bulb. This is to be expected. And while it is true that the higher Kelvin light is more unusable, it still produces more lumens up to a certain point.

BUT, it is harder on the eyes. In ophthalmology, high energy visible light (HEV light) is high frequency light from 380 nm (UV light) to 530 nm (greenish-blueish light) in the visible spectrum. HEV light has been blamed as a cause of age-related macular degeneration. But this isn't because of the "UV" light emitted from HID bulbs. The arc within an HID headlamp bulb generates considerable short-wave ultraviolet (UV) light, but none of it escapes the bulb. A UV-absorbing hard glass shield is incorporated around the bulb's arc tube. This is important to prevent degradation of UV-sensitive components and materials in headlamps, such as polycarbonate lenses and reflector hardcoats. The lamps do emit considerable near-UV light.

What gets me about all this argueing is that yeah, while your HIDs ARE outputting more lumens, its all going to the wrong places unless you either go projector, or retrofit an ENTIRE headlight housing. I know the main arguement is the lumen output, but in reality, thats pointless considering you aren't putting the light where it NEEDS to be.

If you actually read throught all this, then good for you, I didn't mean for it to be this long! Sorry!

Corpsman · 09-20-2006, 02:16 AM

The second car from the left in that picture is able to display more detail then the car furthest to the left. I am just trying to learn about HIDs but it is quite apparent to me, some of you are stuck on stupid.

qh187 · 09-20-2006, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Corpsman

The second car from the left in that picture is able to display more detail then the car furthest to the left. I am just trying to learn about HIDs but it is quite apparent to me, some of you are stuck on stupid.

not only that but if you look a little closer you can see that the car with the 4300k spreads more into the 8000k beam on the side. It's more apparent that the blue lights are only appear intense directly in front and as the lighting to the side gets less intense, the blue quickly becomes more difficult to pick up on the black pavement.

CungZ · 06-14-2007, 03:17 PM

wow wow wow.. +1 to caveman

t43m4n · 06-24-2007, 10:15 PM

10000k is definitely weaker than 6000k. Here's my take on this.

The higher the kelvin rating, the bluer it is. If you look at the light spectrum, blue is darker than yellow or white. So giving a blue light, you are having less contrast than the dark environment that you are in as compared to 6000k.

I have 8000k - it is legal here in the Philippines (heck everything is hehe) - and it is darker than my friend's 6000K

Here's a pic of my HID - i'm sure your's would be darker

djthomi · 10-20-2007, 04:06 PM

I said, fack it. And ordered me some HIDs. Read all that bullcrap on those sites about poor light quality and all this other non-sense. Believed it for a second but with my enyving for other people with HIDs I had to. I just wanna say it, my Philips bulb are plain [white and boring (<--lolz)]. So I decided to order some HIDs, and I also went with the 10,000k. I'll be right behind ya FatHo. HIDs FTMFW!

05-26-2006, 12:19 AM	#46 (permalink)
XeNonCiViC Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: ohio Posts: 78 iTrader: 0 / 0%	TATE & AKI You FOOLS are arguing with nothing to back up what you are saying. You keep dodging the real facts in this discussion. You idiots are reading other people's research on the internet, and taking it as the HID Bible. I think me and 2RotorMotor's experience COMPLETELY outweigh your ability quote random web research. (i'm surprised you guys can read considering how stupid you guys are). I'm tired of being nice. YOU GUYS ARE JUST PLAIN DUMB & DUMBER. Aki, I've already had this discussion with you and proved you wrong in a previous thread. STOP SPREADING MISINFORMATION ON THIS SITE BASED OFF OF YOUR WEB SURFING. You keep trying to twist numbers. Yes, halogens are 1000-1600 lm. We are talking about low beams only though IDIOT. 99% of low beam halogens don't go over 1100lm. Only high beams reach 1600lm. And as I said on a previous post to you Aki, we are talking about the 8th Gen Civic low beam (1000lm) because.... well... this is a 8th gen civic forum. And if you read my posts, there are 2 kinds of HID bulbs out there... not all bulbs are equal. There are cheap HID bulbs, which have blue or purple color due to them being tinted, similiar to a blue halogen bulb. High quality HID bulbs are not tinted, and have the blood stained capsule inside the bulb. The lumen output I posted refer to these higher quality bulbs, and I'm sure your research is referring to the tinted HID bulbs. Also, not all stock HID equiped cars have projector beams, that's why they make 2 different kind of bulbs; D2S and D2R. One is meant for use in projector beams, and one is made for use in regular housings. And you analogy about the garden hose, was purely MORONIC. Don't try to act smart by making analogies about a subject you clearly know nothing about. Here's an analogy for you: TAKING WHAT AKI SAYS AS FACT IS LIKE BELIEVING SUPERMAN REALLY EXISTS. I don't want to argue with DUMB & DUMBER anymore. It's obvious from the pics all these other people posted that you guys are wrong. I'm glad this world is full of idiots like Tate and Aki because if we were all smart, I wouldn't be as successful as I am. Last edited by XeNonCiViC; 05-26-2006 at 01:52 AM.

05-26-2006, 12:59 AM	#47 (permalink)
Tim Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 29 Posts: 5,012 iTrader: 10 / 100%	Wow. Just, wow.

09-09-2006, 01:39 AM	#48 (permalink)
striker_1818 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New York Age: 23 Posts: 9,407 I HATE Stephanie iTrader: 18 / 100%	lol just to piss those guys off i just bought a 8K HID kit...will install it within this weekend or so...take pics...then compare them with 4.5K from my friend... will post pics soon...=)

09-10-2006, 09:09 AM	#49 (permalink)
caveman74 Senior Member Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Woodstock, Ga Posts: 2,388 Kevin iTrader: 19 / 100%	here is a link for those who think a kit in a stock halogen is better than a projector. The right headlight has a 8000k HID kit and the left has a S2000 4300k you be the judge!! http://www.littodevilperformance.com...comparison.wmv

09-19-2006, 03:17 PM	#54 (permalink)
jasongg06 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: 626 So Cal Posts: 1,262 iTrader: 0 / 0%	When i pull next to a car that has blue colored HID's, my stock halogens are definitely brighter than theirs. The only reason people think those hid's are brighter, is because they're usually not aimed correctly, or in stock housings so their blinding the shit out of other people anyways.

09-20-2006, 02:16 AM	#56 (permalink)
Corpsman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 590 iTrader: 0 / 0%	The second car from the left in that picture is able to display more detail then the car furthest to the left. I am just trying to learn about HIDs but it is quite apparent to me, some of you are stuck on stupid.

06-14-2007, 03:17 PM	#58 (permalink)
CungZ Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 79 iTrader: 2 / 100%	wow wow wow.. +1 to caveman

06-24-2007, 10:15 PM	#59 (permalink)
t43m4n Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 26 iTrader: 0 / 0%	10000k is definitely weaker than 6000k. Here's my take on this. The higher the kelvin rating, the bluer it is. If you look at the light spectrum, blue is darker than yellow or white. So giving a blue light, you are having less contrast than the dark environment that you are in as compared to 6000k. I have 8000k - it is legal here in the Philippines (heck everything is hehe) - and it is darker than my friend's 6000K Here's a pic of my HID - i'm sure your's would be darker

10-20-2007, 04:06 PM	#60 (permalink)
djthomi Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austin, TX Age: 21 Posts: 634 Tommy iTrader: 0 / 0%	I said, fack it. And ordered me some HIDs. Read all that bullcrap on those sites about poor light quality and all this other non-sense. Believed it for a second but with my enyving for other people with HIDs I had to. I just wanna say it, my Philips bulb are plain [white and boring (<--lolz)]. So I decided to order some HIDs, and I also went with the 10,000k. I'll be right behind ya FatHo. HIDs FTMFW!