Installed my 10,000K HID Conversion Kit!! Pics will come soon! - Page 2

Tate · 05-24-2006, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by XeNonCiViC

I agree that the higher the color temp., you will have less lumen output

That IS whole point of this discussion. Between a well-known scientific unit of brightness (lumen) and your few years of experience (in a tuner shop), no offence, but I take the scientific unit over your experience any time

2RotorMotor · 05-24-2006, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim

I would love to park my car with 4300K bulbs next to a 10,000 or 12,000K and compare the output.

This is my 8500 vs. 954k20 4300-4500 and hologens next to 954.... So who ever says that 8500+ has less lumens than halogens can kiss my ass....

Funkster · 05-24-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

This is my 8500 vs. 954k20 4300-4500 and hologens next to 954.... So who ever says that 8500+ has less lumens than halogens can kiss my ass....

Sidenote: those lights look hot as hell. I am probably going that route.

FatHoMedDigNitY · 05-24-2006, 06:58 PM

Sorry to let you down man, but science isn't always correct. Personal experiences prevail everytime compared to a "Scientific" study. Look at the pictures man; it is more than freeking obvious that a 8,000K+ GOOD quality HID kit is a whole lot brighter then stock halogens. Stop going by the book, the book is wrong--quite often.

**Tim** · 05-24-2006, 07:13 PM

You're using THAT picture as proof of it being superior?! Now come on! That does definitely display that it's prettier than halogen, but that doesn't show an improvement in usable light necessarily. That looks like a TON of glare, especially since the ground is wet.

I meant that I would love to sit my projector retrofit with 4300K next to any bulb greater than 6000K to compare usable light. Can you imagine a stadium or some such area lit up by bright blue light instead of a bright white light? It would fatigue your eyes beyond belief, just as any extended driving with non-4300K bulbs will.

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 01:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim

You're using THAT picture as proof of it being superior?! Now come on! That does definitely display that it's prettier than halogen, but that doesn't show an improvement in usable light necessarily. That looks like a TON of glare, especially since the ground is wet.

I meant that I would love to sit my projector retrofit with 4300K next to any bulb greater than 6000K to compare usable light. Can you imagine a stadium or some such area lit up by bright blue light instead of a bright white light? It would fatigue your eyes beyond belief, just as any extended driving with non-4300K bulbs will.

What are you talking about??? Look at how the halogens light up the floor... and then look at mine... HAlogens are nowhere near as bright as my lights and ommit nowhere near the same lumens as mine... Next to my car is a 43/500(I dont remember which) and next to him are regular halogens....

BTW the FLOOR WAS COMPLETELY DRY.....

Edit* I don't know how driving with 8500's would fatigue your eyes more than with any other bulb... I've driven
5k miles with it and never had any vision problems because of the light... Infact its better for you, since you don't have to strain your eyes because of the poor lighting the halogens offer..

**Tim** · 05-25-2006, 01:38 AM

Completely dry? Then that just proves my point 100 fold. That glare with the blue lights is unacceptable.

Blue lighting fatigues eyes. Do some research. Try putting blue lights in your room for a couple of days, and then tell me it doesn't bother you at night.

And my point was never that HID are less bright than halogen. I argue that much of the light that they output (when 6000+) is unusable to our eyes.

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim

Completely dry? Then that just proves my point 100 fold. That glare with the blue lights is unacceptable.

Blue lighting fatigues eyes. Do some research. Try putting blue lights in your room for a couple of days, and then tell me it doesn't bother you at night.

And my point was never that HID are less bright than halogen. I argue that much of the light that they output (when 6000+) is unusable to our eyes.

I don't understand what you call glare... The fact that it reflects the light off the ground?? Umm, I kinda want that... I want to light up the street good, which these lights do perfectly...

BTW any bright light bothers me at night.... It could be yellow,blue, red, white, orange etc....

Even if what you say is true, that much of the light that they put out is unusable, its still a hell of alot brighter than stock, and even if a small percentage of light is usable the upgrade and clarity of the light is insane...

**Tim** · 05-25-2006, 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

I don't understand what you call glare... The fact that it reflects the light off the ground?? Umm, I kinda want that... I want to light up the street good, which these lights do perfectly...

BTW any bright light bothers me at night.... It could be yellow,blue, red, white, orange etc....

Even if what you say is true, that much of the light that they put out is unusable, its still a hell of alot brighter than stock, and even if a small percentage of light is usable the upgrade and clarity of the light is insane...

Bingo. That's glare exactly.

You dodged the point I was making. Change your bulbs around the house from white/yellow to blue. See how long you can stand THAT. Now intensify that blue light. Shine it right in your face in a spotlight fashion (read: hotspots from using a HID bulb in a reflector housing). And try to drive with that coming in your eyes. There is a reason why the DOT has determined that only 4300K bulbs are legal for use on the road.

While there is SOME improvement in usable light with high Kelvin, why not optimize the light that you're putting on the road by using 4300k? Isn't that the purpose of turning on your lights at night in the first place?

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim

Bingo. That's glare exactly.

You dodged the point I was making. Change your bulbs around the house from white/yellow to blue. See how long you can stand THAT. Now intensify that blue light. Shine it right in your face in a spotlight fashion (read: hotspots from using a HID bulb in a reflector housing). And try to drive with that coming in your eyes. There is a reason why the DOT has determined that only 4300K bulbs are legal for use on the road.

While there is SOME improvement in usable light with high Kelvin, why not optimize the light that you're putting on the road by using 4300k? Isn't that the purpose of turning on your lights at night in the first place?

Actually I have true color bulbs all around my house, they give a violet bluish color.... Reason why I dont put 4300's; I like the look of my lights, and by looking at other owners of 4300's, I dont really see an improvement.. So Ill stay with my "blue" lights and be happy wiht the output it has..

BTW, I have NEVER been flashed because of my lights...

**Tim** · 05-25-2006, 02:12 AM

I take it that you're only comparing them to reflector-based HID, yes?

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim

I take it that you're only comparing them to reflector-based HID, yes?

Well, yes... Im not planing on doing a retrofit..

**Tim** · 05-25-2006, 04:19 AM

Well I've been talking about projectors all along.

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Tim

Well I've been talking about projectors all along.

Well thats not what you said, when you stated that my bulbs give out less than halogens... which by the picture, you can clearly see the remarkable difference in brightness and light output...

Projectors are great, and I probably wouldn't have anything over 4500, but since I do not want to madify my lights just to add projectors, I will definately keep this kit with me..

aki · 05-25-2006, 11:15 AM

Ugh why do these newbie threads keep cropping up?

Yes your bulbs look brighter ...you know why?

1) Hotspots
2) High wavelength light

But as for TOTAL Lumen output, you're likely putting less than a Halogen bulb. The problem with dumping HID bulbs into Halogen housing is that A LOT of the light gets concentrated towards the middle, as opposed to an even distribution like true HIDs. And XenonCivic keeps spouting incorrect numbers. Halogen bulbs generate anywhere between 1000 to as high as 1600 Lumens.

Bash it into your brains. You've just sacrificed visibility for kewlness. Because even if that 10k HID did have higher lumens, all the light is concentrated in the center, thus providing WORSE visibility outside of the hotspot. So while the middle is glaringly bright, the rest of the road is poorly lit. This is why you need HID housings for HID lights, as it more evenly distributes the light across the range of the reflector/projector. It's like changing a sprinkler head from a spray to a single line and claiming you have more water.

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by aki

Ugh why do these newbie threads keep cropping up?

Yes your bulbs look brighter ...you know why?

1) Hotspots
2) High wavelength light

But as for TOTAL Lumen output, you're likely putting less than a Halogen bulb. The problem with dumping HID bulbs into Halogen housing is that A LOT of the light gets concentrated towards the middle, as opposed to an even distribution like true HIDs. And XenonCivic keeps spouting incorrect numbers. Halogen bulbs generate anywhere between 1000 to as high as 1600 Lumens.

Bash it into your brains. You've just sacrificed visibility for kewlness. Because even if that 10k HID did have higher lumens, all the light is concentrated in the center, thus providing WORSE visibility outside of the hotspot. So while the middle is glaringly bright, the rest of the road is poorly lit. This is why you need HID housings for HID lights, as it more evenly distributes the light across the range of the reflector/projector. It's like changing a sprinkler head from a spray to a single line and claiming you have more water.

First of all am as far from a newbie when it comes to cars as anyone currently working in the field... I been dealing with these for almost a decade... So please dont give me that newb bullshit....

AS YOU CAN SEE FROM THE PIC, THE OUTPUT IS HIGHER THAN THE HALOGENS ON THE BLACK SI.... what more do I have to say? Look at the reflection on the floor, that reflection is what lets you see at night....

Edit.. This is the output from inside the car, on a lighted street and the left light screwed into the socket incorrectly... Halogens can produce that ??

Civic_Si · 05-25-2006, 02:09 PM

10000k is only good for frying your oncomming traffic with UV radiation.

I'm very happy with my 6500K and I don't think there's any need to go blue-er.

ever12 · 05-25-2006, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

This is my 8500 vs. 954k20 4300-4500 and hologens next to 954.... So who ever says that 8500+ has less lumens than halogens can kiss my ass....

Just because a car has more glare doesn't mean it's brighter. Actually quite the opposite. I have 8500k kaixen HIDs on my 8thgen and let me tell you it's no brighter than stock. It may LOOK brighter to the untrained eye because of the color, just like colored bulbs, but it doesn't produce more visable light. This has been proven time and time again so anyone trying to argue against it hasn't done their homework.

2RotorMotor · 05-25-2006, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ever12

Just because a car has more glare doesn't mean it's brighter. Actually quite the opposite. I have 8500k kaixen HIDs on my 8thgen and let me tell you it's no brighter than stock. It may LOOK brighter to the untrained eye because of the color, just like colored bulbs, but it doesn't produce more visable light. This has been proven time and time again so anyone trying to argue against it hasn't done their homework.

WHat the hell are you talking about??? to the untrained eye??? If MY eyes can see better with my lights than halogens, then thats all that matters... I dont give a shit if you can see better with other lights... I like'em, its a BBBBBBBBIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGG improvement over halogens, especialy on darker roads.... So don't come to me with that shit...

ever12 · 05-25-2006, 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 2RotorMotor

WHat the hell are you talking about??? to the untrained eye??? If MY eyes can see better with my lights than halogens, then thats all that matters... I dont give a shit if you can see better with other lights... I like'em, its a BBBBBBBBIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGG improvement over halogens, especialy on darker roads.... So don't come to me with that shit...

How old are you?

You act like an 8 year old in every thread you post in.

It may look like it's a big improvement because of the color of the light, but fact is it provides less usuable light. You may like the color and that's fine, but you spread misinformation and then have the balls to get an attitude with the people trying to correct you nicely. Can't we just ban this kid already?

05-24-2006, 06:58 PM	#24 (permalink)
FatHoMedDigNitY Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 14 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Sorry to let you down man, but science isn't always correct. Personal experiences prevail everytime compared to a "Scientific" study. Look at the pictures man; it is more than freeking obvious that a 8,000K+ GOOD quality HID kit is a whole lot brighter then stock halogens. Stop going by the book, the book is wrong--quite often.

05-24-2006, 07:13 PM	#25 (permalink)
Tim Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 29 Posts: 5,009 iTrader: 10 / 100%	You're using THAT picture as proof of it being superior?! Now come on! That does definitely display that it's prettier than halogen, but that doesn't show an improvement in usable light necessarily. That looks like a TON of glare, especially since the ground is wet. I meant that I would love to sit my projector retrofit with 4300K next to any bulb greater than 6000K to compare usable light. Can you imagine a stadium or some such area lit up by bright blue light instead of a bright white light? It would fatigue your eyes beyond belief, just as any extended driving with non-4300K bulbs will.

05-25-2006, 01:38 AM	#27 (permalink)
Tim Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 29 Posts: 5,009 iTrader: 10 / 100%	Completely dry? Then that just proves my point 100 fold. That glare with the blue lights is unacceptable. Blue lighting fatigues eyes. Do some research. Try putting blue lights in your room for a couple of days, and then tell me it doesn't bother you at night. And my point was never that HID are less bright than halogen. I argue that much of the light that they output (when 6000+) is unusable to our eyes.

05-25-2006, 02:12 AM	#31 (permalink)
Tim Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 29 Posts: 5,009 iTrader: 10 / 100%	I take it that you're only comparing them to reflector-based HID, yes?

05-25-2006, 04:19 AM	#33 (permalink)
Tim Super Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Age: 29 Posts: 5,009 iTrader: 10 / 100%	Well I've been talking about projectors all along.

05-25-2006, 11:15 AM	#35 (permalink)
aki Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: tehインターウェブ Age: 29 Posts: 4,348 Resident Si Sedan Hater iTrader: 4 / 100%	Ugh why do these newbie threads keep cropping up? Yes your bulbs look brighter ...you know why? 1) Hotspots 2) High wavelength light But as for TOTAL Lumen output, you're likely putting less than a Halogen bulb. The problem with dumping HID bulbs into Halogen housing is that A LOT of the light gets concentrated towards the middle, as opposed to an even distribution like true HIDs. And XenonCivic keeps spouting incorrect numbers. Halogen bulbs generate anywhere between 1000 to as high as 1600 Lumens. Bash it into your brains. You've just sacrificed visibility for kewlness. Because even if that 10k HID did have higher lumens, all the light is concentrated in the center, thus providing WORSE visibility outside of the hotspot. So while the middle is glaringly bright, the rest of the road is poorly lit. This is why you need HID housings for HID lights, as it more evenly distributes the light across the range of the reflector/projector. It's like changing a sprinkler head from a spray to a single line and claiming you have more water.

05-25-2006, 02:09 PM	#37 (permalink)
Civic_Si Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Victoria, BC, CANADA! Posts: 298 iTrader: 0 / 0%	10000k is only good for frying your oncomming traffic with UV radiation. I'm very happy with my 6500K and I don't think there's any need to go blue-er.