LED/HID/ projector solution??? hehehe

[tda1337]

ok so i need some input
so ive decided f' hids! i want leds
but not just ne leds, i have found a 10 Watt 900 lumen (legit!) led
ive been going over possible uses with an ex-member webby banned cause he thought he hacked his account (WEBBY, honestly hes not even capable of hacking, i think u guys should kiss and make up lol)
but neways
the led has a perfect 140 degree output, BAD for headlights
BUT if i can find a reflector OR projector system that would work, now were talking
a few ideas:
projector: the standard HID projector has a cutoff shield. my proposal is to use heatsink compound and standard high/cold tempglue to weld 2-4 leds (2 leds = stock output, 4 > HIDs) and have them facing INTO the reflector on the projector. Now i dont have any projectors so i cant just try one to see if it works even slightly, if u can try it (even with a 1 watt led) please let me know
reflector: recently, our friends at Pilot, came up with 3 watt led fogs.... obviously not enough lumens to light jack s***
but im considering desoldering the leds i found from their stars and replacing the 3 watt with 2 of these, the system, similar to the projector idea i have, faces an led inwards towards the rear of the housing, and reflects the light around the led PilotAutomotive.com : Product : Cyber White series
thats the link there, now u know what i mean by led pointing inward if ur confused

if someone has a projector, id like to try this idea (just one sitting around)
pm me and ill show u what im asking for lol

the last idea
Refractor system:
ok basically a piece of plastic, that accepts 2-4 of these leds (linearly) and changes their output from 140 degrees, to one needed for headlights or fog lights (basically like what u see on a standard task force led flashlight that is 1 or 3 watts, if u dont know, go to Lowes, go to the flashlight section at the cash registers and pick up a 1 watt flashlight from Task Force, look at the plastic in the head thats see thru, but is not clear )
this would require a manufacturer to be involved in the process, one thats good with optics
that means PRICY!

so to me if the projector idea works, its the BEST idea
ideas are welcome

[tda1337]

some output comparisons
3200 lumens, philips 4300k HID
3600 lumens, 4x SSC 5000k LEDs

H1 12V 55W, 1550 lumens
HB3´12V 60W, 1700 lumens
2x SSC 5000k LED, 1800 lumens
3x SSC 5000k LED, 2700 lumens


math is simple 900 lumens per led
now since they are smaller and only about 10 watts each, a 40 watt set up will be just brighter than HIDs, and a little whiter (maybe not as good for eyes, but distinctly led)
u can flick them too (those who want HIGH BEAM output to be greatly increased without HID ballasts to blow)
so for fogs, i would do 2 leds per side, and for headlights 4 leds per light, im even thinking 8 for low, and 8 for high (so 8 for each side of the car ;-) )
that means i can flick my high beams at people FASTER than u can halogen even!

[striker_1818]

Let me help you out and I'll donate one fx35 projector towards your project.
BTW, you will notice one thing when using high output leds(luxeons), they will not fit a standard projector so you will have to get many for one headlight alone.
Lexus tried it with the ls600h and is failing so far as the output is by far less than the HID-based projectors.
Basically, what lexus did was add leds to a projector. They used one single large projector with 3 small ones to the side for width. However, as it turns out, the output was crap and non-definable.
Here are some pictures:

[tda1337]

that seems like an OK idea, but not great
extra projectors cause clutter and mess and often arent worth it
since u have a projector sitting around, can u drop a 1 watt led on its cutoff shield facing the rear?
take a picture of its output in diff posisitions on the shield (left, middle right)
that will give me an idea the output it has
i have found LEDs Magazine - Lenses for LED headlamp
this was COMPLETELY done with lenses from the look of it
it seems like thats one route to go, multiple lenses for multiple lens, which to me sounds like an ok idea, but i prefer collecting all the light and throwing it at one lens,, the problem being that the lens MUST have some sort of cutoff, this is why i like the idea of standard TSX projectors vs the lexus idea
ive seen that idea, and i know its pretty poor, its not smartly put together

ACTUALLY now looking at the diagram :-D
try sticking it ona pole and see what the output is facing up, that seems more what we need :-D i like that idea, problem is solving the heat
the leds i plan on using are twice the output of the ones used by lexus :-D actualy over twice (900 lumens, SSC, Seoul Semi-Conductors p7 C bin)

[tda1337]

i feel like an idiot looking at these diagrams now
ok
so i understand how the light will be effected, im actually hopefully picking up some rx330 projectors for my gfs car (HID retrofit 98 camrt, gen 4 to 4.5 front end conversion as well)
and ill play with those maybe

i dont tihnk i have enough time for these
i do know the leds i got are much more powerful than the ones used by toyota, so im gonna play around with it

[striker_1818]

Originally Posted by tda1337

that seems like an OK idea, but not great
extra projectors cause clutter and mess and often arent worth it
since u have a projector sitting around, can u drop a 1 watt led on its cutoff shield facing the rear?
take a picture of its output in diff posisitions on the shield (left, middle right)
that will give me an idea the output it has
i have found LEDs Magazine - Lenses for LED headlamp
this was COMPLETELY done with lenses from the look of it
it seems like thats one route to go, multiple lenses for multiple lens, which to me sounds like an ok idea, but i prefer collecting all the light and throwing it at one lens,, the problem being that the lens MUST have some sort of cutoff, this is why i like the idea of standard TSX projectors vs the lexus idea
ive seen that idea, and i know its pretty poor, its not smartly put together

ACTUALLY now looking at the diagram :-D
try sticking it ona pole and see what the output is facing up, that seems more what we need :-D i like that idea, problem is solving the heat
the leds i plan on using are twice the output of the ones used by lexus :-D actualy over twice (900 lumens, SSC, Seoul Semi-Conductors p7 C bin)

focal point will be a dead-end. As you can see, a bulb not seated correctly will most likely cause an ugly cutoff.
Q45 projector is large and it takes one hid bulb but it has many mini lenses. If the focal point isn't right, then you will have a huge hotspot with no width.
It's been done before. Many companies try to do it but they can't get anything to pass DOT standards because they are poorly built and the hotspots from an off-focal point will cause glare.


Notice how each lense has it's own cutoff line which is different from the other. No two have the same cutoff.

[b2kk258]

i have no idea what you guys are talking about this is like rocket science for me!

[tda1337]

hmmmmm
see my problem is im better with visualizing than explaining lol
also im better with electronics, not optics lol
new stuff to me so ill learn as i go

neways, ur saying the focal point will be a dead end
but u show me that q45 headlight assembly
that too me looks ALMOST perfect, throw 4 leds in an array that throws all the light at each lens BUT wont i loose output?

[Red_Devil]

Its still more cost effective to go with HIDs.

Im putting out 5000 lumens with $70 kit

[tda1337]

cost effective it is not
at 20 bux an led, led life expectancy is 50,000 hours
u do the math
even for 8 leds (160 bux well say for head lights) a projector retrofit and such (so another 400 MAX for parts) its 560 bux for sometihng that comes on faster, lasts FOR THE LIFE OF THE CAR!
u may say HIDs are cost effective at 70 bux, but ur blinding the hell out of people with a 50 watt hid kit (cause thats what u have for 5000 lumens) in a halogen housing which does not spread the life good enough
trust me on this red devil, all u are doing is blinding oncomming traffic, if i saw u on the road id prolly run u off for being such an arogent a-hole driving with 5000 lumen hids which are NOT necessary

[Red_Devil]

Wow hostility, you need to chill out.

[tda1337]

i hate arrogance man, neone who throws 50 watt hids and thinks they are doing something good is where the hostility comes from
hopefully u have a good reason to fire back with, otherwise i just labeled u in my book

[Red_Devil]

I was just saying, its more cost effective @ the same light output. Then you come in and bash me for what? GG

even at 50,000 hours, at an average of lets say 25mph, thats 1.2 MILLION miles...

at the same rate, 3000 hours for a HID bulb at 25mph is 75,000 miles

HID bulbs are like $30

yeah.

[tda1337]

lol its a honda dude, ill own mine til it dies, then ill drop a new motor and keep going

[jsnymeyer]

HOLY SH*T. This friggin ridiculous!

[tda1337]

jsn, like i said, give me some ideas on how to angle the light, and u will see the sickest 07 civic coupe lights made EVER

[striker_1818]

Originally Posted by tda1337

hmmmmm
see my problem is im better with visualizing than explaining lol
also im better with electronics, not optics lol
new stuff to me so ill learn as i go

neways, ur saying the focal point will be a dead end
but u show me that q45 headlight assembly
that too me looks ALMOST perfect, throw 4 leds in an array that throws all the light at each lens BUT wont i loose output?

Someone seated the bulb slightly wrong and the beam pattern was totally messed up as there was no cutoff anymore.
So, good luck trying to find the focal point lol
that will be a dead end for almost anything unless you're doing fogs. Fogs will be easier as they dont need a cutoff since they're aimed at the ground

[tda1337]

well from what i can tell, maybe not, im going to play with some materials for reflecting the light properly into the projector lens, we shall see