Pictures of Honda's with paint issues.

SeanInLACA · 01-05-2007, 08:28 PM

Many people on this site seem to dismiss the poor paint job on our Civics.
"It's just a cheap car"
Last time I checked $15-23K isn't a "cheap" car and older "cheaper" civics didn't have this many issues.

"Plastic bumpers don't match."
Other manufactures of cheap cars can match the plastic bumper much better. What is Honda doing that they can't match the bumper? And as you will see in the pics...the PLASTIC body kits match the metal paint better then the PLASTIC bumper. Shouldn't the body kit match the bumper!

I have been paying close attention to other cars on the market and in general these 8th Gen Civics have a really poor paint job. I think Honda has gone too far in trying to save money. I would gladly pay another $100 for thicker paint that will look great and last.

In person you can easily find flaws on the body panels where the paint is poor and I don't have a trained eye. It's hard to show these flaws in pictures but if you look you can find them in person.

If the paint job is poor is it reasonable to ask Honda to repaint out cars? Most likely they will just try to have an area "fixed" making the problem even worst. But I hope someone from Corporate Honda sees this post and realizes that the cost cutting on paint is something everyone can SEE!

I used a few photos from this Forum show examples... (Note: I like the cars below - just not the quality of paint from Honda.)

Look at the rear bumper it has a 3 tone paint job body/bumper/kit.

Two tone blue.

Very light Silver Rear bumper:

Body kit does not match the bumper (so much for the Plastic theory - Honda can't even match 2 plastic parts):

negativezeroz · 01-05-2007, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hondadriver

paint job seems like my eg i had. i don't know what you are talking about. only real difference I notice with the bodies on the 8th gens is the metal seems thinner to the knuckle tap.

Every single HFP equipped 8thgen I've seen, the colors don't match. The HFP lip kit has not matched on any color, even black. My friends 2003 Accord is horrible paint match also. The front and rear bumpers are literally almost tan compared to the pale white of the rest of the car; not how TW should be.

Isn't the ENTIRE car painted at once? The way it looks by variations in color on the same car is as though Honda was painting individual pieces.

My 1995 300ZX's paint was a beast. It never chipped. This car, though, literally chips just by looking at it.

Funny thing....my dad's nighthawk Pilot has better paint than I do, even though we have the same color.

civicowner · 01-05-2007, 08:48 PM

u might have a point, but on the pics is hard to notice as u said, somethimes shadows,lights,reflections create shades in the pics so i wont agree with you completely on color matching but in overal paint quality i think most of us know that ya the paint leaves alot to bedesired.

ayenoc · 01-05-2007, 08:54 PM

YAY, my car pix is in here.. lolz

radiocontrolhead · 01-05-2007, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civicowner

u might have a point, but on the pics is hard to notice as u said, somethimes shadows,lights,reflections create shades in the pics so i wont agree with you completely on color matching but in overal paint quality i think most of us know that ya the paint leaves alot to bedesired.

I don't agree with him at all by using pictures to tell. Although the paint is 100% matched, a picture gives it away easier than the eys.

**Gonzo** · 01-05-2007, 08:56 PM

It's hard to say with pictures, since many times the body panels are facing a different direction and reflect light differently and thus might seem a different color. Unless you are in person it would be hard to confirm.

Though I will say it does look like there might be some mismatched colors between the HFP kit and the car on that silver. Without seeing it in person I couldn't say for sure though.

I'm interested to hear if there are more complaints about HFP colors not matching.

SeanInLACA · 01-05-2007, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by civicowner

u might have a point, but on the pics is hard to notice as u said, somethimes shadows,lights,reflections create shades in the pics so i wont agree with you completely on color matching but in overal paint quality i think most of us know that ya the paint leaves alot to bedesired.

I thought it was really easy to see in the pictures how the bumper does not match the metal paint. It is many few shades ligher or darker in most cases. Maybe some people can see shades better then others. And these pictures are very close to what they look like in person. It's easy to see in the one pic of the silver with the body kit. The paint goes from dark silver on the body, to light silver on the bumper, and back again to dark silver on the boby kit.

Ususally cameras don't pick up the slight change in shade, so if you can see it in these pictures, in person it is most likely worse.

Sion0x · 01-05-2007, 08:58 PM

The paint is WAY too thin though, everyone knows that.

One of the pictures it was obvious....it's a shame the quality isn't as good as it should be.

KingMarineM16a4 · 01-05-2007, 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radiocontrolhead

I don't agree with him at all by using pictures to tell. Although the paint is 100% matched, a picture gives it away easier than the eys.

Yeah... And to the OP if you have a paint problem take it to them.

SeanInLACA · 01-05-2007, 09:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radiocontrolhead

I don't agree with him at all by using pictures to tell. Although the paint is 100% matched, a picture gives it away easier than the eys.

It has been my experience that most cameras don't capture shades as well as the human eye. I can see many things in person that I can't capture with a digital camera. (I don't know about film, I have not tried that.)

And how do you know the paint is 100% matched? I would bet Honda is painting the bumpers at a different time then the rest of the car. Maybe even from a different batch of paint.

SeanInLACA · 01-05-2007, 09:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gonzo

It's hard to say with pictures, since many times the body panels are facing a different direction and reflect light differently and thus might seem a different color. Unless you are in person it would be hard to confirm.

I agree that angles do make a difference. That's why I included the silver car in the pictures where you can see the rear bumper from 3-5 different angles and in each picture the bumper is it is lighter and the metal body and lip kit are.

Maybe the owner can let us know if it is visible in person.

FG Two · 01-05-2007, 11:11 PM

I had a paint issue. Got it covered under warranty since it was so noticeable

the "asshole" as they call it...

Type X · 01-05-2007, 11:52 PM

the body parts "dont match" on certain angles.. due to the way they catch the light...
if the car was square ... you'd be fine.

psyshack · 01-06-2007, 01:59 AM

They went from being the want to be best, to building Jets. They are falling into a GM death trap. Its a shame. Yota builds only cars for market. Yamaha, builds bikes and musical instruments. Honda does Jets, cars, bikes, lawn mowers, robots, generators and the soon to be coming weed wacker 1430. Look for it on the cover of better Homes and Empty Wallets.

I honestly believe as Honda grows the fit and finish of there products gets worse. My mothers CRX Si has much better fit and finish than my 06 Civic. My fathers 4th gen Accord is finished so much better than my wifes 7th gen. Accord it isn't funny.

What happened?

Many say the damed old EPA ruined it for all... naw it money. The epa blames Honda in this case and Honda blames the epa. The truth is its Honda. They have got cheap ass on us,,,, just like Ford,, Gm, BMW, and just about anybody else that puts four wheels and a drive system together now days. They really don't care what you and I think about there detail, or how long it last. They or Honda is about the bottom line. If they even thought you cared. Or we cared, we would complain at levels that would make world hunger look like a comic strip. And until complaints at a biblical level come about. They will cram junk at us.

Fact is, I'm a old school painter of the industrial arts. Ive painted airplanes to thimbles. Ive sprayed the best Dupont, PPG and others have ever produced. From basic enamel and lacquer. From etching aluma-grip to pigment dope on fabric to the best crap even made IMO,,,, old school Imron. <<<<< thats the best paint ever made in the hands of a skilled painter and tough as nails. Well until the EPA gutted it.... and the consumer bought the lie....

Anyway Ive been real disappointed in the paint on my Honda's. And utterly surprised at what Ive seen on dealer lots. Really disgusting work let out by the quality control staff. A dealer went so far as to try to tell me the paint on a S2k that was tiger striped at all four wheel wells was custom. It was dry spray from a kink in the fluid feed line for gods sake. The blue to gray wasn't a custom fade. It was a fault in production. Primer and clear coat... LMAO....

So with that let me show you a few pics of my wifes Accord.

http://www.psyshack.com/nxtds.jpg Looks good in that pic. Depth, shine, detail.

Here is a pic against my house that hasn't been painted in 30 years. http://www.psyshack.com/nxtt.jpg. See the orange peel. Sun kist couldnt have done a better job. Thats the best i could do with a rotary and some hand polishing.

After a rotary,,, pc and hand polishing and 3 diff. digi cams this is the best pic I could get of a sun burst/reflection. No cob web. But it leads into another pic. www.psyshack.com/nxts.jpg

This photo is a study. Its claim to fame is the reflectivity of the clear coat as seen in the wheel in the door with a flat sun on the fender by the bumper cover. Pure insanity. http://www.psyshack.com/nxtd.jpg and no,,, thats not a scratch on the lower bumper cover. Its a reflection.

The Civic is worse than the Accord. Not so much in the finish seen by others. Its silver and orange peeled to death. But the silver kind of hides a lot. More so than white. But it wont POP or show depth. Its just there.

I need to get some pics of its flaws. Like when you open the trunk. Your greeted with a trunk lid liner and hinge arm covers. But you look at the edges of the trunk or the rain channels if you will and there is primer gray and clear coat. Has in your face finishing touches our Accord doesn't have... But they didn't paint all of the car. WTF!!!!

http://www.psyshack.com/civicr21206.jpg
http://www.psyshack.com/wind5.jpg
http://www.psyshack.com/tint2.jpg

No matter what I cant make the Civic pop. Write some of it off to Silver and most off to orange peel. and boy or howdy is the paint thin and dry spray at the base coat level on both cars.

psy

CherryDX-G · 01-06-2007, 08:44 AM

to me, all the colors in these pics match perfectly... I don't see any discrepensies in the paint whatsoever.

***sbigshot*** · 01-06-2007, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sion0x

The paint is WAY too thin though, everyone knows that.

One of the pictures it was obvious....it's a shame the quality isn't as good as it should be.

+1 ^ what he said

SIpimpin13 · 01-06-2007, 09:10 AM

my rear is a lot darker than the rest of the car

***Sleepy*** · 01-06-2007, 09:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FG Two

I had a paint issue. Got it covered under warranty since it was so noticeable

the "asshole" as they call it...

When I got my car, it was at night. I told the guy that I would go over the car with a fine tooth comb in the morning to make sure the paint was ok.

Well in the morning I found a dent....and I also found three spots like the picture above, this was all covered under warranty. The best part was that they found another spot I didn't see on the hood so that was complelety repainted as well.

BSchuster · 01-06-2007, 12:49 PM

My friends galaxy gray hfp front lip matches perfectly?!?!

xmx250 · 01-06-2007, 02:10 PM

Bottom line is i now have about four rock chips! in a 1000 miles my moms car has zero! and we drive basically the same roads. And the orange peel does make the paint seem real dull. And lets not get started ont the plastic! makes me wanna punch an engineeer in the face, this might very well me my last honda.

01-05-2007, 08:28 PM	#1 (permalink)
SeanInLACA Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 67 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Pictures of Honda's with paint issues. Many people on this site seem to dismiss the poor paint job on our Civics. "It's just a cheap car" Last time I checked $15-23K isn't a "cheap" car and older "cheaper" civics didn't have this many issues. "Plastic bumpers don't match." Other manufactures of cheap cars can match the plastic bumper much better. What is Honda doing that they can't match the bumper? And as you will see in the pics...the PLASTIC body kits match the metal paint better then the PLASTIC bumper. Shouldn't the body kit match the bumper! I have been paying close attention to other cars on the market and in general these 8th Gen Civics have a really poor paint job. I think Honda has gone too far in trying to save money. I would gladly pay another $100 for thicker paint that will look great and last. In person you can easily find flaws on the body panels where the paint is poor and I don't have a trained eye. It's hard to show these flaws in pictures but if you look you can find them in person. If the paint job is poor is it reasonable to ask Honda to repaint out cars? Most likely they will just try to have an area "fixed" making the problem even worst. But I hope someone from Corporate Honda sees this post and realizes that the cost cutting on paint is something everyone can SEE! I used a few photos from this Forum show examples... (Note: I like the cars below - just not the quality of paint from Honda.) Look at the rear bumper it has a 3 tone paint job body/bumper/kit. Two tone blue. Very light Silver Rear bumper: Body kit does not match the bumper (so much for the Plastic theory - Honda can't even match 2 plastic parts):

01-06-2007, 01:59 AM	#14 (permalink)
psyshack Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Okmulgee, Oklahoma Age: 47 Posts: 705 iTrader: 0 / 0%	Honda Paint. They went from being the want to be best, to building Jets. They are falling into a GM death trap. Its a shame. Yota builds only cars for market. Yamaha, builds bikes and musical instruments. Honda does Jets, cars, bikes, lawn mowers, robots, generators and the soon to be coming weed wacker 1430. Look for it on the cover of better Homes and Empty Wallets. I honestly believe as Honda grows the fit and finish of there products gets worse. My mothers CRX Si has much better fit and finish than my 06 Civic. My fathers 4th gen Accord is finished so much better than my wifes 7th gen. Accord it isn't funny. What happened? Many say the damed old EPA ruined it for all... naw it money. The epa blames Honda in this case and Honda blames the epa. The truth is its Honda. They have got cheap ass on us,,,, just like Ford,, Gm, BMW, and just about anybody else that puts four wheels and a drive system together now days. They really don't care what you and I think about there detail, or how long it last. They or Honda is about the bottom line. If they even thought you cared. Or we cared, we would complain at levels that would make world hunger look like a comic strip. And until complaints at a biblical level come about. They will cram junk at us. Fact is, I'm a old school painter of the industrial arts. Ive painted airplanes to thimbles. Ive sprayed the best Dupont, PPG and others have ever produced. From basic enamel and lacquer. From etching aluma-grip to pigment dope on fabric to the best crap even made IMO,,,, old school Imron. <<<<< thats the best paint ever made in the hands of a skilled painter and tough as nails. Well until the EPA gutted it.... and the consumer bought the lie.... Anyway Ive been real disappointed in the paint on my Honda's. And utterly surprised at what Ive seen on dealer lots. Really disgusting work let out by the quality control staff. A dealer went so far as to try to tell me the paint on a S2k that was tiger striped at all four wheel wells was custom. It was dry spray from a kink in the fluid feed line for gods sake. The blue to gray wasn't a custom fade. It was a fault in production. Primer and clear coat... LMAO.... So with that let me show you a few pics of my wifes Accord. http://www.psyshack.com/nxtds.jpg Looks good in that pic. Depth, shine, detail. Here is a pic against my house that hasn't been painted in 30 years. http://www.psyshack.com/nxtt.jpg. See the orange peel. Sun kist couldnt have done a better job. Thats the best i could do with a rotary and some hand polishing. After a rotary,,, pc and hand polishing and 3 diff. digi cams this is the best pic I could get of a sun burst/reflection. No cob web. But it leads into another pic. www.psyshack.com/nxts.jpg This photo is a study. Its claim to fame is the reflectivity of the clear coat as seen in the wheel in the door with a flat sun on the fender by the bumper cover. Pure insanity. http://www.psyshack.com/nxtd.jpg and no,,, thats not a scratch on the lower bumper cover. Its a reflection. The Civic is worse than the Accord. Not so much in the finish seen by others. Its silver and orange peeled to death. But the silver kind of hides a lot. More so than white. But it wont POP or show depth. Its just there. I need to get some pics of its flaws. Like when you open the trunk. Your greeted with a trunk lid liner and hinge arm covers. But you look at the edges of the trunk or the rain channels if you will and there is primer gray and clear coat. Has in your face finishing touches our Accord doesn't have... But they didn't paint all of the car. WTF!!!! http://www.psyshack.com/civicr21206.jpg http://www.psyshack.com/wind5.jpg http://www.psyshack.com/tint2.jpg No matter what I cant make the Civic pop. Write some of it off to Silver and most off to orange peel. and boy or howdy is the paint thin and dry spray at the base coat level on both cars. psy Last edited by psyshack; 01-06-2007 at 02:57 AM.

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01-05-2007, 08:48 PM	#3 (permalink)
civicowner Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: california Posts: 305 iTrader: 0 / 0%	u might have a point, but on the pics is hard to notice as u said, somethimes shadows,lights,reflections create shades in the pics so i wont agree with you completely on color matching but in overal paint quality i think most of us know that ya the paint leaves alot to bedesired.

01-05-2007, 08:54 PM	#4 (permalink)
ayenoc Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Glendale, California Age: 26 Posts: 5,135 Albert iTrader: 41 / 98%	YAY, my car pix is in here.. lolz

01-05-2007, 08:56 PM	#6 (permalink)
Gonzo You're doing it wrong!! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 21 Posts: 5,641 iTrader: 5 / 100%	It's hard to say with pictures, since many times the body panels are facing a different direction and reflect light differently and thus might seem a different color. Unless you are in person it would be hard to confirm. Though I will say it does look like there might be some mismatched colors between the HFP kit and the car on that silver. Without seeing it in person I couldn't say for sure though. I'm interested to hear if there are more complaints about HFP colors not matching.

01-05-2007, 08:58 PM	#8 (permalink)
Sion0x Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Tempe, AZ Age: 19 Posts: 359 Derek iTrader: 5 / 100%	The paint is WAY too thin though, everyone knows that. One of the pictures it was obvious....it's a shame the quality isn't as good as it should be.

01-05-2007, 11:11 PM	#12 (permalink)
FG Two Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Macon, GA Posts: 106 iTrader: 0 / 0%	I had a paint issue. Got it covered under warranty since it was so noticeable the "asshole" as they call it...

01-05-2007, 11:52 PM	#13 (permalink)
Type X Senior Member Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Age: 28 Posts: 3,117 iTrader: 16 / 100%	the body parts "dont match" on certain angles.. due to the way they catch the light... if the car was square ... you'd be fine.

01-06-2007, 08:44 AM	#15 (permalink)
CherryDX-G Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 23 Posts: 116 iTrader: 0 / 0%	to me, all the colors in these pics match perfectly... I don't see any discrepensies in the paint whatsoever.

01-06-2007, 09:10 AM	#17 (permalink)
SIpimpin13 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Yorkville, IL Posts: 1,265 iTrader: 0 / 0%	my rear is a lot darker than the rest of the car

01-06-2007, 12:49 PM	#19 (permalink)
BSchuster Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 91 iTrader: 0 / 0%	My friends galaxy gray hfp front lip matches perfectly?!?!

01-06-2007, 02:10 PM	#20 (permalink)
xmx250 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Westchester, N.Y. Age: 21 Posts: 6,094 iTrader: 1 / 100%	Bottom line is i now have about four rock chips! in a 1000 miles my moms car has zero! and we drive basically the same roads. And the orange peel does make the paint seem real dull. And lets not get started ont the plastic! makes me wanna punch an engineeer in the face, this might very well me my last honda.