DIY - Schroth Racing Harness install for Sedan (Coupe should be similar)

BlackHFP · 05-12-2008, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackHFP

Hey everyone - First off I want to say thanks to everyone that provided constructive input on this install. I would not have known to contact Schroth if you all had not spoken up.

I am sad to say that I have requested that this thread be locked and the DIY removed. After speaking with the manufacturer about some concerns raised by other members I have decided to change the install. Once I receive the parts from Schroth and get them installed I will be doing a new DIY.

BTW the install is correct; the stock seat just is not approved by Schroth. They said they are 99% sure that the stock seat can take the forces necessary, but I don't want anyone to do my DIY then have an accident and be in that 1%. I purchased a new strap and will be attempting to convert the harness into a Ralleye 3 (the mount will be on the rear outer pillar.)

Just to reiterate - This DIY was for informational purposes only. I take no responsibility for your install. Please use common sense; you are modifying a factory safety system. If you are unsure of your abilities to complete this install please do not attempt it. Once again installation using my instructions is at your sole risk.

Thank again for everyones input.

Mat

diy temporarily removed.... will be updated

Si Speed 317 · 05-12-2008, 04:51 PM

Is this the safe, correct way to use this? +1 for install tbw

BlackHFP · 05-12-2008, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Si Speed 317

Is this the safe, correct way to use this? +1 for install tbw

This is the proper installation for the harness. Since it uses the stock bolt locations and still uses the stock mounts there is no degredation to the safety of teh stock system. Also, even though this harness is DOT legal I would not recommend using it on the street simply because you can't even turn around to see if anyone is next to you.

Omega87 · 05-17-2008, 10:53 PM

When you use those belts the stock one isn't fastened right? Wouldn't the 'fasten seat belt' alarm be going off all the time?

***sh33t_0f_p4p3r*** · 05-17-2008, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Omega87

When you use those belts the stock one isn't fastened right? Wouldn't the 'fasten seat belt' alarm be going off all the time?

not in the rear

BlackHFP · 05-17-2008, 11:49 PM

When you use it you can fasten the stock belt behind you. At least thats how I plan on doing it.

tsuru_ser · 05-18-2008, 12:47 PM

i read somewhere that the best angle to have the harness is at 180 degrees as it leaves the seat. This means that you nêed a roll cage that has a tube going right behind the seats. It should still work gơod how you did it though.

07gen8Civic · 02-27-2009, 01:16 PM

ressurected sorry, i needed to ask a question and didnt feel like it was good to create another thread for it.

Wont my "no seatbelt" alarm from the stock system go off, and start beeping?

MStayt · 02-27-2009, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 07gen8Civic

ressurected sorry, i needed to ask a question and didnt feel like it was good to create another thread for it.

Wont my "no seatbelt" alarm from the stock system go off, and start beeping?

You can just wrap it around the back of the seat and clip it in there.

07gen8Civic · 02-27-2009, 01:37 PM

naw thats not it, its the fact that unless the belt in the front belt is clipped in, then the sensor will keep going off, can we turn that off?

MStayt · 02-27-2009, 01:55 PM

What I mean is run it behind the seat and clip it in where it normally would be. It'll be out of your way but still clipped in so it won't beep.
You could also probably go to a junk yard and see if you could find just the clip part of the seatbelt.
I don't think you should run the harness for DD so you probably shouldn't disable the chime.

BlackHFP · 02-27-2009, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by MStayt

What I mean is run it behind the seat and clip it in where it normally would be. It'll be out of your way but still clipped in so it won't beep.
You could also probably go to a junk yard and see if you could find just the clip part of the seatbelt.
I don't think you should run the harness for DD so you probably shouldn't disable the chime.

Thats exactly what I do. It is annoying and all heck though when you forget and then the chime starts going off... and your already on your way lol.

07gen8Civic · 02-27-2009, 03:47 PM

id prefer to disable it, i NEVER forget my seatbelt, and at this point, it would just be really annoying

MStayt · 02-27-2009, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by 07gen8Civic

id prefer to disable it, i NEVER forget my seatbelt, and at this point, it would just be really annoying

I think the mods would have something to say about disabling that feature. I think it was discussed at one time but got deleted.

disboikiet · 03-07-2009, 07:00 PM

yea maybe there could be a relay of some sort to cancel out the sensor

Frankie Figs · 03-09-2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tsuru_ser

i read somewhere that the best angle to have the harness is at 180 degrees as it leaves the seat. This means that you need a roll cage that has a tube going right behind the seats. It should still work gơod how you did it though.

You're right. The way these harnesses are installed will cause your spine to get compressed in a crash. When you get thrown forward the harness is going to try to straighten out between your shoulders and the mounting point. Since the mounts are on the floor its goin to put force down on your shoulders and end up pushing down on your spine.

"The height of the shoulder strap mounts is critical because if they are too low they can actually compress the driver's spine in a collision."

Source: Page 3 of this article Racing Seat and Harness Installation - Car Racing Safety Tech - Anchor In

darkrom · 03-09-2009, 11:48 AM

I just think it sucks that we aren't able to discuss disabling the chime the RIGHT way. People are cutting wires and losing airbags just to avoid the chime because we can't talk about how to do it better. I have the same harness in my coupe and need to find a solution.

darkrom · 03-09-2009, 11:51 AM

I don't get how you made just the lap belt visible for DD use. I really like how clean your install is. Mine is a mess which is why it is more or less just a jungle in my lack of a backseat.

Ayodog · 03-09-2009, 03:58 PM

This install is completely done wrong by the looks of it. Theres a 45 degree angle being made which is by far much too big of an angle and will mess you up in an accident.

civicmarc · 03-09-2009, 10:35 PM

a little much for a less than 200hp hp car?

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05-12-2008, 04:51 PM	#2 (permalink)
Si Speed 317 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Long Island Posts: 4,350 Dan iTrader: 30 / 100%	Is this the safe, correct way to use this? +1 for install tbw

05-17-2008, 10:53 PM	#4 (permalink)
Omega87 Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Ottawa, Canada Age: 21 Posts: 254 Matt iTrader: 1 / 100%	When you use those belts the stock one isn't fastened right? Wouldn't the 'fasten seat belt' alarm be going off all the time?

05-17-2008, 11:49 PM	#6 (permalink)
BlackHFP Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Texas Age: 28 Posts: 345 iTrader: 0 / 0%	When you use it you can fasten the stock belt behind you. At least thats how I plan on doing it.

05-18-2008, 12:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
tsuru_ser Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: california Posts: 10 iTrader: 0 / 0%	i read somewhere that the best angle to have the harness is at 180 degrees as it leaves the seat. This means that you nêed a roll cage that has a tube going right behind the seats. It should still work gơod how you did it though.

02-27-2009, 01:16 PM	#8 (permalink)
07gen8Civic Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 3,461 Brent iTrader: 5 / 100%	ressurected sorry, i needed to ask a question and didnt feel like it was good to create another thread for it. Wont my "no seatbelt" alarm from the stock system go off, and start beeping?

02-27-2009, 01:37 PM	#10 (permalink)
07gen8Civic Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 3,461 Brent iTrader: 5 / 100%	naw thats not it, its the fact that unless the belt in the front belt is clipped in, then the sensor will keep going off, can we turn that off?

02-27-2009, 01:55 PM	#11 (permalink)
MStayt Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Bartlesville, Oklahoma Age: 21 Posts: 292 Michael iTrader: 1 / 100%	What I mean is run it behind the seat and clip it in where it normally would be. It'll be out of your way but still clipped in so it won't beep. You could also probably go to a junk yard and see if you could find just the clip part of the seatbelt. I don't think you should run the harness for DD so you probably shouldn't disable the chime.

02-27-2009, 03:47 PM	#13 (permalink)
07gen8Civic Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Harrisburg Posts: 3,461 Brent iTrader: 5 / 100%	id prefer to disable it, i NEVER forget my seatbelt, and at this point, it would just be really annoying

03-07-2009, 07:00 PM	#15 (permalink)
disboikiet Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Grand Prairie Posts: 489 Kiet Quach iTrader: 3 / 100%	yea maybe there could be a relay of some sort to cancel out the sensor

03-09-2009, 11:48 AM	#17 (permalink)
darkrom Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,116 Matt iTrader: 6 / 100%	I just think it sucks that we aren't able to discuss disabling the chime the RIGHT way. People are cutting wires and losing airbags just to avoid the chime because we can't talk about how to do it better. I have the same harness in my coupe and need to find a solution.

03-09-2009, 11:51 AM	#18 (permalink)
darkrom Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,116 Matt iTrader: 6 / 100%	I don't get how you made just the lap belt visible for DD use. I really like how clean your install is. Mine is a mess which is why it is more or less just a jungle in my lack of a backseat.

03-09-2009, 03:58 PM	#19 (permalink)
Ayodog Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: YL OC CALI Age: 19 Posts: 1,781 rori iTrader: 5 / 86%	This install is completely done wrong by the looks of it. Theres a 45 degree angle being made which is by far much too big of an angle and will mess you up in an accident.

03-09-2009, 10:35 PM	#20 (permalink)
civicmarc Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: ~Faded~ Posts: 6,658 "Welcome to the site! :woot:" iTrader: 4 / 100%	a little much for a less than 200hp hp car?