TWM shifter assembly question

[iCivicSi08]

Is having the base and cable bushings a necessity for installing the TWM short shifter assembly. I bought mine as part of a sick deal and forgot if it came with the bushings or not..

Would I be able to install it without the bushings? or would it be better to wait a while and have the bushings before I install it?

[Nightfall]

It's not strictly a necessity, but I would highly recommend at least going with the base bushings.

Since these bushings are metal and not rubber, they don't shift and move around like the oem bushings do, thus resulting in a firmer and more defined shift. Some say it's negligible, but for me, it was a night and day feeling with just the base bushings on. There was a great deal less play in my shifter and the gears feel very solid.

I bought the twm shifter with both the cable and base bushings, although I haven't installed the cable bushings yet.

[doobeh]

You can install it using the stock base bushings. You don't need the TWM base or cable bushings to use the shifter.

[BlownNHBPSI]

Aren't handfuls of people destroying their shifter cables cuz of the twm shifter?

[SiSoldier]

Originally Posted by BlownNHBPSI

Aren't handfuls of people destroying their shifter cables cuz of the twm shifter?

Who has done that?

[doobeh]

Originally Posted by BlownNHBPSI

Aren't handfuls of people destroying their shifter cables cuz of the twm shifter?

If I remember correctly they were kinking the cables either (1) during the installation of the bushings due to not removing the cable for where it is anchored on the transmission and (2) the solid bushings themselves not allowing many degrees of freedom versus the stock ones or the hybrid ones. I've only read about this on this forum when I was looking to Jane my cables bushings. I ended up going with hybrid-racing because I had read that the solid TWM or any solid bushings make it easier to kink the cables. I haven't heard of anyone breaking their cables cause of the shifter though.

[iCivicSi08]

Originally Posted by doobeh

If I remember correctly they were kinking the cables either (1) during the installation of the bushings due to not removing the cable for where it is anchored on the transmission and (2) the solid bushings themselves not allowing many degrees of freedom versus the stock ones or the hybrid ones. I've only read about this on this forum when I was looking to Jane my cables bushings. I ended up going with hybrid-racing because I had read that the solid TWM or any solid bushings make it easier to kink the cables. I haven't heard of anyone breaking their cables cause of the shifter though.

so do you suggest if I get base/cable bushing to get them from HR and not TWM?

thanks for the feedback

[doobeh]

I have hr base and cable bushings and the cable bushings are a bit better than stock but the base bushings don't really do much IMO. The hybrid base bushings didn't fit with my TWM shifter but they do fit the oem shifter. I would just say buy the TWM shifter and then just the hybrid cable bushings. That's what I did but if you want base bushings then just buy the TWM bushings. I would say just save your money and don't buy the base bushings as long as your stock rubber bushings are still intact.

[Nightfall]

Originally Posted by doobeh

If I remember correctly they were kinking the cables either (1) during the installation of the bushings due to not removing the cable for where it is anchored on the transmission and (2) the solid bushings themselves not allowing many degrees of freedom versus the stock ones or the hybrid ones.

For the first point, I don't see how you can kink it if you follow the directions properly and take proper care. Plus, all cable bushing installations are going to be about the same if I'm not mistaken. And if you're talking about the base bushings, well, I don't see a way to mess the cables up there at all.

For the second, the big difference between twm and hr cable bushings is that the hr bushings have a spherical bearing in them which allows it to rotate more freely than twm's solid metal bushings. Whether or not the twm's lack of a bearing actually causes problems, I have no idea. They claim that since it's made of their special "bronzoil alloy" it will have enough lubrication to allow the cables the freedom of movement they need.

If you wanna be safe, I'd go with HR. Hope this helps.

[iCivicSi08]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

For the first point, I don't see how you can kink it if you follow the directions properly and take proper care. Plus, all cable bushing installations are going to be about the same if I'm not mistaken. And if you're talking about the base bushings, well, I don't see a way to mess the cables up there at all.

For the second, the big difference between twm and hr cable bushings is that the hr bushings have a spherical bearing in them which allows it to rotate more freely than twm's solid metal bushings. Whether or not the twm's lack of a bearing actually causes problems, I have no idea. They claim that since it's made of their special "bronzoil alloy" it will have enough lubrication to allow the cables the freedom of movement they need.

If you wanna be safe, I'd go with HR. Hope this helps.

I see, now what if I decided to go with just stock bushings? and no aftermarket ones. would i see any damage being done to my transmission or SS?
I drive an SI if that makes a difference

[Nightfall]

The stock rubber bushings are also supposed to allow for the degrees of freedom necessary (since they're rubber and can move around) to prevent damage much like the hr bearing bushings. So you should be safe (especially considering that it's the oem part).

I have the twm shifter assembly with twm base bushings and stock cable bushings myself.

[iCivicSi08]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

The stock rubber bushings are also supposed to allow for the degrees of freedom necessary (since they're rubber and can move around) to prevent damage much like the hr bearing bushings. So you should be safe (especially considering that it's the oem part).

I have the twm shifter assembly with twm base bushings and stock cable bushings myself.

I see, so say I just install the TWM SS assembly. Will I need to remove the bushings to do the install? or kinda of like plug and play and all I have to do is remove the OEM shifter?

by the way, appreciate all the help fellas

[Nightfall]

If you don't install the cable bushings, you don't even have to go near them, or the engine bay for that matter.

You do have to remove the base bushings from the oem shifter assembly if you plan on using those with the twm shifter, but that's really trivial.

To sum it up, you'd only need to touch the cable bushings if you were changing them specifically or replacing your shift cables themselves.

[iCivicSi08]

Originally Posted by Nightfall

If you don't install the cable bushings, you don't even have to go near them, or the engine bay for that matter.

You do have to remove the base bushings from the oem shifter assembly if you plan on using those with the twm shifter, but that's really trivial.

To sum it up, you'd only need to touch the cable bushings if you were changing them specifically or replacing your shift cables themselves.

Gotcha, sweet thanks for the info and taking your time to answer my questons!

[Nightfall]

No problem!

[mike_si_29]

Originally Posted by SiSoldier

Who has done that?

lol... and not only cables