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Old 05-09-2008, 10:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Your results with 3sixty.2 from non-nav to outboard amps?

With the 4 channels of differential balanced outs from the oem premium head unit, I posted the question on Rockford's site and they claim the latest 3sixty.2 will accept balanced differential inputs.

For any of you guys that are using the 3sixty.1 or 3sixty.2, how's the processor working for you in terms of sound quality, output and noise levels, etc??

Is the 3sixty a good platform for maintaining the oem head unit but getting time-alignment and active-crossover capabilities? Is there another that's current on the market?

I know of at least one opinion that it's more trouble than it's worth and just run out to JL or RF or Hifonics or some other amps that have diff-balanced inputs and forget the processing, or maybe use some audiocontrol eq/crossovers maybe.

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Old 05-09-2008, 02:08 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You can also look into Alpines H650 Imprint processor.
Alpine PXE-H650 IMPRINT™ sound processor Get top performance from a full audio system while retaining your factory stereo at Crutchfield.com

Both do a great job hooking into OEM vehicles. I would love to get my hands on the new AudioControl DQL-8, it is supposed to be amazing. (but expensive).

Im not sure where your going with the diff-balanced outputs from the head unit, as far as I know this is not the case. I'll let someone else debate that.
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just a quick question, are you planning on upgrading your stock speakers?
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Old 05-09-2008, 04:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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In the Si with Premium sound (I am told), there are four (front L/R, rear L/R) outputs in +/- format (differential balanced line level) that feed the external OEM amplifier (in the center console I think?) which splits off the separate subwoofer channel and I think possibly separate lines for the tweeters also.

Bypassing the factory amp to go direct to processor then to amps should "on paper" yeild the best fidelity, but not all amps or processors will have the appropriate balanced inputs to accept it.. JL, Rockford, Kicker, etc do as far as amps, but wondering about what folks have actually found with the 3sixty processors.

Yes, that PXE-H650 unit has had mixed reviews but looks like a great great processor... If it can appropriate take the head unit signals, it would be ideal as it has the right amount of output channels.

I should expand and see who's had what outcomes possitive or negative with either the 3sixty.2 or the PXE-H650 then, from head unit output rather than amp output.
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I've seen the connections to the OEM amplifier and they definitely are not differential balanced line level outputs.

From what I've found the PXE-H650 has gotten better or like reviews to the RF 360.

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What leads you to believe that about the head unit outputs... because they're plugged via a harness?

Yeah the H650 unit also has the extra front channels to run the tweets active.. A couple of four channels with 2 bridged for sub, some decent separates upfront, some mid-basses or coaxes in rear and upgraded sub driver and you could have a bumpin' little setup. :)

I'll add.. If those signals infact weren't balanced, I'd just run an Excelon KAC-X4R with all the tuning built into the amp, and be done with it... Man that'd be nice and simple.

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I've had great results with the 3Sixty.
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I've seen the connections to the OEM amplifier and they definitely are not differential balanced line level outputs.
This is INCORRECT. Balanced just means that there is a + and a - signal, instead of a "hot" wire and a reference "ground" wire. The factory wires carry opposite (balanced) + and -. Are you seriously expecting to see XLR plugs on the factory amp?

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Hah, no my question was if it was interally balanced. In most cases, a differential balanced input signal is internally converted to a single-ended signal via transformer or maybe in our case an electronic amplifier. After internal processing, the single-ended signal is converted back to a differential balanced signal and fed to an output.

If it was a XLR we would have three wires, (not sure if this is the case here)
X = Ground
L = Live
R = Return
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...and after the output, where does it go?

I think there might even be 3 wires in the harness, actually.
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Can you guys help confirm if this is the same wiring for the 07's and 08's with premium non-nav? Found here.
Mine happens to be an '08 Si Sedan

Actually.. more useful I think would be the pinouts.. which I think I saw.. I'll search.

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2006 Honda Civic Audio Wiring Diagram

:Radio Harness
+12V DC Constant White
Switchedd Accessory Violet
Ground Black
Power Antenna Gray
Remote Turn On Light Blue
Illumintation Red/Black or Gray
Left Front + Light Green
Left Front - Pink
Right Front + Gray
Right Front - Brown
Left Rear + Yellow
Left Rear - Brown
Right Rear + Blue
Right Rear - Orange

:Amplifier Outputs
Remote Turn On Light Blue
Left Front Mid + Light Green
Left Front Mid - Pink
Right Front Mid + Gray
Right Front Mid - Brown
Left Rear Mid + Yellow
Left Rear Mid - Brown
Right Rear Mid + Blue
Right Rear Mid - Orange
Subwoofer 1 + Green
Subwoofer 1 - Red

:At Speakers
Left Front Tweeter + Red
Left Front Tweeter - Green
Right Front Tweeter + Pink
Right Front Tweeter - Blue

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