Factory speaker wire

[twisted2corpse]

Originally Posted by toxin

VoiceOfGod, is that what you did? And it works? Did you have to pop off the grommet, or does it pull right through?

I pulled off the molex plugs and cut a small hole and ran 12 gauge wire through the same area were the factory speaker wire goes it was touch took 2 hours for both door, completed and doesn't even look as if i didn't anything completely flawless job. You wouldn't even know that there is 12 gauge speaker wire in there, the crossovers are mounted under seat since they are pretty big.

[Toxis]

pics?

[twisted2corpse]

Originally Posted by Toxis

pics?

don't have any, could take one but it looks like nothing done and it is there.

[Toxis]

did you go through the molex plug or around it? I haven't looked at it directly but I'm guessing there's some empty spots you drilled out?

[twisted2corpse]

Originally Posted by Toxis

did you go through the molex plug or around it? I haven't looked at it directly but I'm guessing there's some empty spots you drilled out?

basically what i did was un-plug the 2 molex connectors pull out the cables as far as could (not much to work with), then under were the connectors are there is a place were I wire could go through if needed, I then fished the 12 gauge wire through there and then through the thin tubing until inside the door.

[Toxis]

ok, I'll have to try it on the pass side since that's not done yet.

[runeknight95]

Is the stock speaker wire 18 or 20 or even 22?

[toxin]

I think we're in agreement that it is in fact 18-gauge.

I think I'm just gonna order the amplifier bypass harness from Crutchfield so I don't have to **** with the molex. :)

[runeknight95]

Good stuuf man, good luck. Im just going to wire the amp into a harness and attack it directly to the car.

[Toxis]

Good luck with the limitation of power toxin. 12awg all the way!

[twisted2corpse]

Originally Posted by Toxis

Good luck with the limitation of power toxin. 12awg all the way!

I did prevoiusly use the factory speaker wire, which is thin as hell. Now with 12 awg all the way I notice much better quality and by means of more power!

[bsbabcock]

I still say the biggest benefit is from eliminating all the terminal plugs between amp and driver. All those connection points I'm betting cause the most signal degradation.

[Toxis]

and not the speaker wire's limitation of power transfer? Not saying you're wrong but speaker wire gauge can and will degrade the signal. Adding resistance isn't a good thing.

[twisted2corpse]

Originally Posted by Toxis

and not the speaker wire's limitation of power transfer? Not saying you're wrong but speaker wire gauge can and will degrade the signal. Adding resistance isn't a good thing.

what are you talking about? I'm Confused?

[bsbabcock]

Oh I agree..

The "quality" of the wire itself is indeed important. Not to say that the wire itself isn't a big factor. The quality of the wire and condition is very important actually.. Even more so than just gauge alone I think... I was pleasantly amazed at the HUGE difference when I upgraded to some tributaries SP6BW which is a 4-conductor 16G (I think), 50% silver plated OFC 4 conductor, biwired.

The previous wire was standard Monster 12g 2-conductor which was thicker, but I'm sure there were strand-count differences as well as the extra silver in the tributaries (which is far better conductor than even the best copper). The difference in $3/foot used by a high-end A/V business for wiring home theaters with $50k speaker setups verses $1 foot off a road-shop spool.

But again, I reach my diminishing returns with spending silly money on esoteric high-end wire as stuff like that wire above can be had relatively inexpensively and deliver excellent quality.

In some cars though with these harnesses and break points in possibly several locations, my original point was that eliminating all those harness connections I can only see as a very very good thing for getting nice clean power to the drivers, even if it's just a decent 16 gauge run. Takes less effort I'd imagine for the amps to push that signal through a bunch of plug ends, verses straight shot through wire strands. Kind of like the difference between the el cheapo clip/pinch posts on the back of cheap home speakers verses good twist-down style posts on the high-end jobs.

It's all the efficient transfer of electrons. :)

[twisted2corpse]

Ok thanks

[bsbabcock]

hehe.. sorry.. was some serious coffee this morning. :)

[toxin]

Originally Posted by Toxis

and not the speaker wire's limitation of power transfer? Not saying you're wrong but speaker wire gauge can and will degrade the signal. Adding resistance isn't a good thing.

Toxis,

Those are general statements. Have you done the actual math on 18g wire?

[Toxis]

what kind of math?