True Surround Sound

TJ213 · 04-22-2007, 02:02 AM

What would be needed for true surround sound in the Civic Si? Ever since test driving the RDX my (stock) sound system seems so.... weak. What is needed to get a full DVD-A surround sound setup?

btw, what head units work with DVD-A surround sound, so far I've only found ones that take the 2 channel version of the sound off the DVD.

Toxis · 04-22-2007, 02:05 AM

Nothing processes the true 5.1 of DVD audio but a lot do DVD video. I hope by DVDa you're talking about the high res disk much like SACD (which also isn't in cars). Sorry but surround sound for a car is utterly pointless. You can't get the imaging to be accurate so just run a good setup and be happy with the sound. Upgrade it!

TJ213 · 04-22-2007, 10:57 AM

what about if I used this head unit?

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-TB37kQC...105KDNX500#Tab

moxom · 04-22-2007, 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TJ213

what about if I used this head unit?

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-TB37kQC...105KDNX500#Tab

That unit will still require a surround decoder.

moxom · 04-22-2007, 12:42 PM

The basic building blocks are: a media player, a surround decoder, at least 6 channels of amplification and 6 speakers (Left, Center, Right, Surround 1, Surround 2 and a subwoofer).
The left and right speakers are for on screen effects, center channel for dialogue and screen effects, surrounds for ambient effects and the sub for low frequency effects.

bikinpunk · 04-22-2007, 01:05 PM

IMO, you're much better off setting up a good 3-way active setup up front. Like Toxis said, you're going to have a HORRIBLE time imagining rear speakers; especially since they're in the rear deck facing upward. I don't think any time alignment on this planet can remedy that.

Like both Toxis & Moxom have said, you're going to first have a dvd-audio compatible headunit (such as the Alpine iva-w200/w205, or the iva-d100). Secondly you'll have to have the pxa-h701 processor. Of course...in order to do a good 3-way setup, you'll have to have this combo too, or another like (many many many SQ competitors use an Alpine combo).

I honestly can't think of any company that would have dvd-audio + surround processor other than Alpine off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others however. I just don't know of them off the top. I would expect Eclipse or Pioneer to have that, since both have great 3-way active processor (some even in-house on single-din h/u's).

To sum it up, don't bother with it. It can be done, but it's likely more trouble than it's worth. Just get a good 3-way active setup and enjoy that.

Toxis · 04-22-2007, 01:20 PM

at one point, Pioneer used to do DVD audio.

notacop · 04-22-2007, 09:56 PM

Alpine IVA-W200 + PXA-H701.

Does DVD-A, SACD and regular DVD's all in 5.1 channel as long as you have the pxa-h701, that is connected via a control cable and an optical cable to carry the sound. FANTASTIC setup. I have been very happy with mine.

You can do 5.1 surround sound with a 2 way active front stage.

Alternately if you want to get real crazy instead of rear speakers run a 3 way active front stage along with subs in the back. That is what the setup in my previous car is.

This time around I am thinking of going simpler, but that is for another thread.

bikinpunk · 04-22-2007, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by notacop

Alpine IVA-W200 + PXA-H701.

Does DVD-A, SACD and regular DVD's all in 5.1 channel as long as you have the pxa-h701, that is connected via a control cable and an optical cable to carry the sound. FANTASTIC setup. I have been very happy with mine.

You can do 5.1 surround sound with a 2 way active front stage.

Alternately if you want to get real crazy instead of rear speakers run a 3 way active front stage along with subs in the back. That is what the setup in my previous car is.

This time around I am thinking of going simpler, but that is for another thread.

ummm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bikinpunk

IMO, you're much better off setting up a good 3-way active setup up front. Like Toxis said, you're going to have a HORRIBLE time imagining rear speakers; especially since they're in the rear deck facing upward. I don't think any time alignment on this planet can remedy that.

Like both Toxis & Moxom have said, you're going to first have a dvd-audio compatible headunit (such as the Alpine iva-w200/w205, or the iva-d100). Secondly you'll have to have the pxa-h701 processor. Of course...in order to do a good 3-way setup, you'll have to have this combo too, or another like (many many many SQ competitors use an Alpine combo).

I honestly can't think of any company that would have dvd-audio + surround processor other than Alpine off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others however. I just don't know of them off the top. I would expect Eclipse or Pioneer to have that, since both have great 3-way active processor (some even in-house on single-din h/u's).

To sum it up, don't bother with it. It can be done, but it's likely more trouble than it's worth. Just get a good 3-way active setup and enjoy that.

notacop · 04-24-2007, 12:21 AM

I know, I saw yours, just confirming it with my first hand experience

04-22-2007, 02:02 AM	#1 (permalink)
TJ213 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Age: 18 Posts: 3,051 iTrader: 0 / 0%	True Surround Sound What would be needed for true surround sound in the Civic Si? Ever since test driving the RDX my (stock) sound system seems so.... weak. What is needed to get a full DVD-A surround sound setup? btw, what head units work with DVD-A surround sound, so far I've only found ones that take the 2 channel version of the sound off the DVD.

04-22-2007, 12:42 PM	#5 (permalink)
moxom Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 959 iTrader: 0 / 0%	The basic building blocks are: a media player, a surround decoder, at least 6 channels of amplification and 6 speakers (Left, Center, Right, Surround 1, Surround 2 and a subwoofer). The left and right speakers are for on screen effects, center channel for dialogue and screen effects, surrounds for ambient effects and the sub for low frequency effects. Last edited by moxom; 04-22-2007 at 12:49 PM.

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04-22-2007, 02:05 AM	#2 (permalink)
Toxis Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Italy Of Course! Age: 28 Posts: 3,799 Even Women Aren't Safe iTrader: 10 / 100%	Nothing processes the true 5.1 of DVD audio but a lot do DVD video. I hope by DVDa you're talking about the high res disk much like SACD (which also isn't in cars). Sorry but surround sound for a car is utterly pointless. You can't get the imaging to be accurate so just run a good setup and be happy with the sound. Upgrade it!

04-22-2007, 10:57 AM	#3 (permalink)
TJ213 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Age: 18 Posts: 3,051 iTrader: 0 / 0%	what about if I used this head unit? http://www.crutchfield.com/S-TB37kQC...105KDNX500#Tab

04-22-2007, 01:05 PM	#6 (permalink)
bikinpunk Senior Member Join Date: May 2006 Age: 26 Posts: 3,096 Erin iTrader: 3 / 100%	IMO, you're much better off setting up a good 3-way active setup up front. Like Toxis said, you're going to have a HORRIBLE time imagining rear speakers; especially since they're in the rear deck facing upward. I don't think any time alignment on this planet can remedy that. Like both Toxis & Moxom have said, you're going to first have a dvd-audio compatible headunit (such as the Alpine iva-w200/w205, or the iva-d100). Secondly you'll have to have the pxa-h701 processor. Of course...in order to do a good 3-way setup, you'll have to have this combo too, or another like (many many many SQ competitors use an Alpine combo). I honestly can't think of any company that would have dvd-audio + surround processor other than Alpine off the top of my head. I'm sure there are others however. I just don't know of them off the top. I would expect Eclipse or Pioneer to have that, since both have great 3-way active processor (some even in-house on single-din h/u's). To sum it up, don't bother with it. It can be done, but it's likely more trouble than it's worth. Just get a good 3-way active setup and enjoy that.

04-22-2007, 01:20 PM	#7 (permalink)
Toxis Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Italy Of Course! Age: 28 Posts: 3,799 Even Women Aren't Safe iTrader: 10 / 100%	at one point, Pioneer used to do DVD audio.

04-22-2007, 09:56 PM	#8 (permalink)
notacop Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Central Illinois Age: 28 Posts: 117 Garrett iTrader: 0 / 0%	Alpine IVA-W200 + PXA-H701. Does DVD-A, SACD and regular DVD's all in 5.1 channel as long as you have the pxa-h701, that is connected via a control cable and an optical cable to carry the sound. FANTASTIC setup. I have been very happy with mine. You can do 5.1 surround sound with a 2 way active front stage. Alternately if you want to get real crazy instead of rear speakers run a 3 way active front stage along with subs in the back. That is what the setup in my previous car is. This time around I am thinking of going simpler, but that is for another thread.

04-24-2007, 12:21 AM	#10 (permalink)
notacop Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Central Illinois Age: 28 Posts: 117 Garrett iTrader: 0 / 0%	I know, I saw yours, just confirming it with my first hand experience